Jabari Butler, Tracy Brinkmann

Tracy Brinkmann  00:00

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Jabari Butler  03:14

Fantastic ,thank you so much, Tracy. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I was like, Who is he talking about? Oh,

Tracy Brinkmann  03:19

that’s me. Oh my god. Yeah, it was funny as I was going back through that do a little prep for this. For this our to our chat together. I was like, Wow, man. Jabari is cute. You have done some stuff, you know, since we were what we were talking about was like 12. So it was at least 1999. You just you just popped up a picture of a ceremony with a table topics contest. Yeah, we were in Toastmasters together. Jabari actually had to remind me that I was his mentor. Back in the day, and I can tell you, you know, for anyone who’s ever considering engaging into public speaking, Toastmasters is definitely one of those programs. You know, and I’m sure it’s all about the club, right? We were lucky enough to have this amazing troupe of folks to help us along our public speaking journey and I got to watch Jabari really blossom, you know, he he started off in a little quiet at first and then Brock. I think about six months in. There was no stopping this man. Right. Jabari, I really thank you for you know, carving some time out to come hang out with us. I want to I want to shut up a minute, you know, and you know how much I can talk right? Oh,

Jabari Butler  04:37

yeah, you can talk. I can talk. That’s why we got along so well.

Tracy Brinkmann  04:44

Exactly. Right. Exactly. Right. It was actually good that we were paired up together back in. But I actually I want to shut up here and let you take the mic and kind of share your story. You know, what’s brought you to where you are, you know, good, bad, ugly and then You know, tell me why you love doing what you do so much?

Jabari Butler  05:02

Sure, I’ll be. I’ll say a few words about that. I’m Jabbar Butler, appreciate you coming to come on your show. I was extremely thankful and humbled when you reached out to me about this. And also Wow, I would definitely be Tracy, anything, I would have be happy to do that. Now, I had an unusual background, I actually was not that good initially in math and technology and things like that I really didn’t have much interest in anything to do with with these kinds of things initially as a child, and and so as I progressed through school, I began to pick up the ideas of math, what have you, when I went to college, I was looking for a major and I happened to come across a book, and it was Pascal, Pascal. And it looked a little bit like English, I said, What is this? And this guy said, well, it’s a programming language book program, I had a little bit of exposure to it in elementary school, and just a little bit in elementary school, we did some contest, things like that make some simple programs that lift that that had no idea that there’s any relation to math at all, I got to college, struggled through the picked up programming book, took a liking to it. And then some years later, I began to get good at it. And so I actually asked my professor at the time around my junior, so I said, What is the difference? You know, why are there so many math majors in technology? Technology classes, because I’m taking so many I like to technology, I’m taking these technology classes. And remember before I could not do math, I was a class clown in high school for math, I think a lot of people and I was not I was most unlikely as person even be in that space. But like tech so much that I had to take some new math classes and asked him later on. I said I had to had I had to take linear algebra discrete algebra in abstract. What I had to take all these math classes, and why all the math people in my classes, he says you didn’t know I said, it know what he said you didn’t know about math and technologists will know about tech. But understand what do you mean what I did? What is it that I did not know? You didn’t know? That math is the closest thing math major is the closest thing to computer science major. I said no. I’m glad you didn’t tell me You know, I looked up and I was only two courses away from having a minor because they didn’t tell me how the Bowlby who didn’t know that he could fly. He’s not supposed to, but no one ever taught him. So that was me. I was that Bumblebee. And and later on, I credit really being able to break into more experience with technology, unfortunately, to the Ronald mayor, it was it was Dr. McNair, when he passed away, it actually opened the door for people like me, because there is a Ronald E. McNair postbaccalaureate achievement program. And that was where I got my start. I think every time I see a shuttle go up every time I see even with SpaceX, I just went out recently, we covered that a couple of days ago, every time I see something like that, I’m always thankful and humbling reminded that it was because of someone like him who paved the way for somebody like me. And it was that program that gave me the exposure to at that time working with the number one virtual reality team in the world at the is called our driving simulator team at the time now it’s called the National driving simulator. I got a chance to get on that as my first project and I got a chance to work with other projects. Since then, I got early exposure to Radio Shack at Radio Shack and I got my first exposure to some technology some guy yeah, does it get a manager that gave me some exposure to RadioShack and he would have these these these stores register exploiting humanity without going into the kid. But I had that as a kind of like a foundation never. I never realized that that was it would be a seed that was planted years ago from some guy who just said, Hey, you know, come by and go buy some hot dog for me something that stand around the story a little bit and elegant doing something and that those were seeds that were planted early on that later on sprout in college, and then later on, you know, took me on another pathway into the program, which gave me more experience that led to work in General Mills and then colos for me to write and then even after that, I ended up doing more of that as a business I’m sure that Coca Cola and and since that time have been in healthcare technology for a number of years, almost two decades now. And I’ve also worked in the in the vertical of higher ed, higher education, okay, and where I that’s where I got my introduction to into cloud technology where we took the seminary samama Minister as well, and I went to the seminary ITC, well, while I was there, when I graduated, I came back. And I use all my technology experience to help my school move to the next level in technology. And so we introduced them to the cloud technology. It was the first my knowledge, the first HBCU seminary have its full infrastructure in the cloud. And this is back in 2011. And so this cloud was still being developed. And there’s that and, and so that’s how, that’s how I got into the cloud technology. Anyway. So those are some things that that I was able to do yours before. And, and I’m humbled when I think about the Forbes technology, and then the DHS, HHS awards, things like that. I’m always around good people been around really good people. My business partner, Karen Graham, she’s, she’s amazing to me, I’m very thankful for her. And she and I worked together for the last four years now, for five years now, on this, this, this news program, perfecting years of Emmy Award winning production, talent and my point of use 1520 years of technology, talent, we put that together to create this organization. So new. And so we use a lot of the cloud, we use quite a bit of that. And I think there’s a we talk more about that, I guess, later, but I think that’s kind of how it happened, so to speak.

Tracy Brinkmann  11:28

Right.And I think it’s kind of cool that, you know, I say it’s kind of cool. I think so many times there are folks out there that are are struggling with a topic, right. And that topic for you, as you were talking about was math or, you know, maybe for someone else, it’s you know, English or history or whatever it is, but because you weren’t aware you were you were aware that you know, math was not my junk. I just it’s not my thing. Right, right. But yes, okay, well, I’m gonna go over here to this information tech, it seems kind of cool. I can vibe with that. And come to find out. There’s a whole lot of math in there. And I know, right? But because you hadn’t made that connection, you’re like, Hey, this is cool. I’m rocking. It ended up fine been two classes away from a math minor. And it really kind of comes back to that that quote, you said, you know, no one told the bumblebee he couldn’t fly. And you’re like, I’m just going for it. Man. I’m doing this thing. I think if we can get more of that out to folks that just like, dude, I get it. You’re struggling. Not everyone’s a dancer, right?


But I’m not I’ve seen you dance.

Tracy Brinkmann  12:37

Right, you see, right, you see that? There’s a funny story here. And I’m gonna pause just for a second. So Jabari and I worked both work at Coca Cola back in the 90s. And back then the Coca Cola used to have these awesome holiday party, you know, and they would rent out like the whole World Congress Center, a good portion of it, right. And there would be a band and food and entertainment, you know, and then you go on for a while. And there were people like what there was elton john, who we had the four top since there was you know, we had the B 50. twos anyway, so I have no problem being in front of a crowd. And so I was out there, and they were playing some awesome song. And I was at their house doing my thing. And I did and someone said, Come on Tracy dance. And so as I cycle running across the stage and doing like the john travolta sliding on my knees, and get up and do a dance thing, all that to wind up say, we had a great time, I get it. And this was a Friday night when this happened Friday or Saturday night. I get into work on Monday morning, and sitting on my desk in an envelope is a picture of me like it’s in the middle of a dance pose. And I’m like, Oh, my God, video proof somewhere. But anyway, all that to say we we had a good days. But I was coming back to I was coming back around to the to the bumblebee. I think so many times, we fight these fears. And we don’t face them. And you and I, we fought we fought a lot of those fears when it comes to public speaking. And it’s not just standing in front of a crowd, right? It’s learning how to say the things we want to say. All the things that go with it, if we adjust can help teach people, right, yes. How to face those fears. Yeah, in a great way, then who knows what’s going to happen? Because if you hadn’t fought that math fear, yes, this organization you’re at now and I do want to chat a bit about more might not be here yet. Right? Yeah, sure. I’m sure your partner that you’re working with now would have found somebody, maybe it happened, but you know, it wouldn’t have been you and who knows one little decision can change our whole life. But yes, I do want to go into this. And when I first thought about, you know, who do I want to bring on the show, I was going through all my own names, and you happen to popped back up on my radar on LinkedIn. And I saw this sign one news. Yeah, like, Oh, that’s kind of cool. What is that all about? And I, and I read what you wrote about it. And then I went over and checked it out at your website. I’m like, Okay, this is super cool. And I thought it was really neat. My wife is, she’s a special ed teacher,

Jabari Butler  15:21

right? going, Oh, awesome

Tracy Brinkmann  15:22

I can definitely I can totally vibe with this, ya know, reaching out to those that have challenges, whatever the challenges are, right? Yeah. Whether it’s here seeing or walking or talking is, you know, we all need to come together, right? We’re all one big people. But, again, I’m gonna shut up because I want you to share with everyone what sign one news is doing in your how it came to fruition? And, and why it’s so important.

Jabari Butler  15:48

Absolutely. Well, my, again, my partner should tell you best in terms of the initial aha revelation that she had allowed her to walk away from, from a stellar award winning amazing career and on television and Monday, you should have her on her show. Perhaps she’ll tell you the story, but

Tracy Brinkmann  16:07

I’m probably gonna get Karen on. Absolutely.

Jabari Butler  16:08

I think she got her on. But But essentially, you know, she, she had a revelation. And when God told her just, you know, go ahead and, and, and leave a star at a network station for a new news for the deaf and hard of hearing our differing population. And so then she shared some of that with me, and I resonated with it. So together, we’ve tried to figure out how do we how do we take all of this, this is technology and production work and what she’s done and what I’ve done, how do we make them and shape it in a way that works? And so we created a team and, and that team ended up, you know, talking through the whole process, and, and we ended up partnering with CNN from an affiliate standpoint. And that was major, major, sorry. So now we take information like that news we get from CNN, whatever you see on TV, we have the access to the same content, and we make it accessible to define hearing. And recently, we’re making a lot more content accessible to deaf, aren’t you hearing and work with more people with disabilities? That could be deaf blind, that could be in a wheelchair, that could be anything in between? And so we realized that we don’t think of it as disabilities, we think of it as different ability. Yes. And they’re just different abled. And as that day, I mean, they are we were, you know, we are asleep. And so we don’t look at it as them and us we look at as is. We’re working on this together? Sure. So we take this news and information and we put it in a format. That’s an American Sign Language, and American Sign Language is not the same as English. Many people think that Oh, caption Oh, yes, I understand caption, no caption. Caption is not the same, right? as American Sign Language. Matter of fact, if you wrote America silent, would you probably think it was some sort of hieroglyphics it’s a different type of language all by itself. It’s a visual language. And so a verbal language versus visual language is two different things. And so we do our best to educate people about that. And as we bring about more awareness, then people begin to say, Oh, well, maybe there’s a different way that we can start getting news and information and making them more accessible. And so we do that every day. We use cloud technology, we use a mix of technologies. Matter of fact, I’m in the studio here. But most, if not all, of our staff are somewhere else. They’re somewhere else. They’re at homes or in their own studios, or they’re somewhere else producing the news. And every day, we have a distributed cloud based workforce that come together produce the news, and they go on about their business, and but you won’t see him not anywhere here in the studio. Nice. And so that’s just the way that we operate.

Tracy Brinkmann  18:59

So just just for the layman, which is me, your and yours. You’re still down in the Atlanta area, aren’t you?

Jabari Butler  19:07

Yes, I am. here in Atlanta, yes.

Tracy Brinkmann  19:09

Outstanding, which probably made the the CNN connection a lot easier being in the home territory. Right,

Jabari Butler  19:16

right down the street from them, Yeah.

Tracy Brinkmann  19:18

So you’re taking the the we’ll just use them for the example you’re taking their news content. And then you’re turning around and flipping it into a modality that someone who’s having difficulty seeing or hearing can now consume that content and stay up to date on everything that’s going on. I know exactly. When we were chatting before I hit before we started our our actual interview here. You were talking about, you know, whether it’s the presidential debate, it’s not we’re not just talking about, you know, hey, you know, here’s what’s going on in the nest, right? Or there’s a storm coming your way. We’re talking about real news here, as for people that they’re just as interested as I am,

Jabari Butler  19:59


Tracy Brinkmann  19:59

Yes, you’re and that’s just like me saying, you know, Jabari is just as interested, as Tracy is. So whoever the the folks that are consuming your content, they want to know who, who you are, what are what that person for president is running for, what their platform is over there, so that they can go make their votes because their vote is like you were saying, roll together, they’re most just as important as mine, or yours or anybody else’s. Right?

Jabari Butler  20:22

That’s right. And you bring in, you bring up a good point, because that’s one of the things we’ve been doing a lot more of the last several weeks actually is helping put on virtual, Excel, I call them accessible virtual events. That’s called a them either, but it’s, it’s the idea of making like cow halls and, and voting, voting instructions and things like that available so that they understand what their rights are. And that’s the thing. And what happens is, unfortunately, there’s not a lot of reinforcement outside of our broadcast. But let me get that information. Right. Oftentimes, we’re the only person or the only group give them that information. And it’s not just the United States, there’s other countries that we have absolutely reach. So there’s about 50 different countries that are broadcast around the world. And, and they don’t, they don’t even fully understand ASL, but it’s better than nothing. And so they so they’ll read the transcripts. We provide transcripts with people every day. And we’ve never missed a broadcast since we’ve been in business. So the thing is, is that there’s people that do depend largely on what we produce, because like, you’re right, they want to know, yeah, was happening that two weeks ago, they want to see something when you get in, that’s one of the things that that Karen, want to be sure of early on. She was like, I want them to get it when everybody else gets to do that. I mean, we’ve done things like we’ve done things like the royal wedding, we broadcast that for hours, and hours and hours. All in ASL, we’ve done things with Mercedes Benz stadium and Starbucks breaking Star Wars story, there’s going to be something coming out with Amazon, this in a couple a couple of weeks. And that’s actually no, no, a couple of days or a couple of days ago, and and we were able to sort of chime in on the things that Amazon is doing, there’s a story, there’s a movie coming out that they’re quitting. And so it’s it’s about someone who lost their luster hearing and someone experiences the deaf world. But the point is, is that we’re doing what we can to bring these kinds of issues to light. And the truth is, we have seen many more organizations more or less move in that direction you’re starting to see now more candidates have translators. And when you see, right, when you see people with the emergency broadcast, or with the COVID updates, you’re seeing more people translating, I remember, there was a time when when Karen was just out there myself, she and I were sitting in the studio, no one is translating anything, we’re getting live feeds, and we’re calling and calling and saying hey, can you put a translator out there, someone happened to interpret this right? Doing it, while they were there was one of they will always cook the interpreter off. And so we say, you know what, we’re just gonna do it. And, and so I really credit her for really thinking through getting more interpreted and calm, terps getting more interpreters involved, to be able to get this message out there. And, and there are deaf interpreters, and they’re hearing interpreters, and there’s different types of interpreters. Sure. And, and we just want to have the platform to be able to give this audience what they deserve. Well, we all deserve that is access to information like everybody else. And so I think that part of my role has been more or less Business and Technology and finding ways to to to push it out there in a way that is is is accessible. We have app and also on Amazon. Apple TV, Apple Watch Google Play, we’re in all these different channels right nice.

Tracy Brinkmann  24:01

Now I’m just got my curiosity piqued, started talking about this. So in the in the in the news world, let’s stick with news just for a minute. So a new story comes out. Is there a delay between the time that the news story is shared by like a CNN and the time that your your viewers would be seeing it?

Jabari Butler  24:23

It depends. Sometimes some feeds are live and they’ll happen as fast as you see it on television. Okay. There have been instances where you literally can turn on TV and see if there and you see it on our website.

Tracy Brinkmann  24:36

Nice. Okay,

Jabari Butler  24:37

there are times when there is a delay, depending upon the type of story. It just depends on who is available at the

Tracy Brinkmann  24:44


Jabari Butler  24:44

to be able to push it out, because it depends on what kind of regulations they have.

Tracy Brinkmann  24:49

Yeah, that’s true.


But there’s times where both you have all cases where we get it as fast or we get it a little delayed, but it’ll be The same information.

Tracy Brinkmann  25:01

Excellent. And the other thing that popped in my head while you’re while you’re sharing was, you know being in, in so many countries outside the United States proper, right? I know ASL isn’t universal. I know there are. There’s other versions of sign language and other countries. So do do it. I mean, getting it getting in what you’re getting into is is top notch right tops? Yes, three Thumbs up for that one. But is there are you? Are you looking at long term plans for bringing in additional?

Jabari Butler  25:32


Tracy Brinkmann  25:33

but I guess you call it ESL or whatever it may be for European countries, I’m sure.

Jabari Butler  25:39

Sure. There are different kinds. There’s the Indian sign language and the Mexican sign language and the Spanish sign language. And there’s all types of sign languages out there. There’s British Sign Language, BSL, just like local language. Correct? Yeah. So So we do have plans, we’re working on an ISO International Sign Language, that’s probably the next, the next major things we’ll come out with. But there’s, and then and then other ones, as time goes on. But what we’ve mentioned to the public, that ISO is something that we’re looking at.

Tracy Brinkmann  26:10

I see this, I’m excited for you. I mean, this is the kind of thing that, you know, it changes for me, I think it changes lives. Because like we were saying, you know, we’re getting you I say we like it’s me, right? You’re getting you’re getting valuable information into the hands of people that probably before you work, either we’re relying on other people that can hear and see and trying to change that communication. And I think the challenge in that and you know, I don’t want to insert my opinion here, but no, it’s my show.

Jabari Butler  26:47

It’s your show. You say what you want.

Tracy Brinkmann  26:48

But I think one of one of the challenges with that is, even if I’m taking something from a newspaper, or a new show, I’m watching the risk is I’m going to insert my opinion, right in the translation. Right? Which is, which is not good or bad. It just is. You know, so if I’m saying, Well, yeah, Mr. Biden is doing great, and Mr. Trump is doing great. Okay. You know, I’m gonna say something about one of them, right? So I’m gonna have an opinion, one side or the other. And I’m just trying to keep it current, given the fact that we’re still waiting for the election to be this is true. Yeah. So I mean, I think that’s the challenge. Whereas if they have a channel like yours, where they can go and see someone, just sharing the information, they can form their own opinions, just like anyone should be able to you’re now listen to the Dark Horse entrepreneur podcast,

Jabari Butler  27:42

you are very good Tracy Tracy. That is, as of the things that I’m so excited about that part, because that is something we truly practice those on. And again, I go back to Karen, again, in from her journalism background, I made sure that technology and business is tight, she makes sure that journalism is tight. And that is one of the things that we pride ourselves on. And that is making sure that we don’t influence you don’t push our opinion into the broadcast. And one of the things that we do have is we have a code of ethics that our anchors go by, all of our anchors are deaf, most of our staff is deaf, so over half of our staff is deaf, actually, editors, we have deaf anchors, and so so so we have that genuine perspective. And we do have those conversations Maverick, they’re gonna have one later on this evening, we do have these debrief sessions, sessions, where we talk about make sure that hey, you know, careful with how you’re presenting ratio that it stays right in a million. Yep. Because he understands the visual language, mannerisms make a difference. icontact makes it interesting things that we talked about in Toastmasters, there it is, it is much more important in the in these visual languages. I can’t tag the way you nod your head, where you use your your facial expressions, all these things make a very big difference. So if someone does and impose their opinion, it’s, it’s something that you’ve got to be careful of our folks are trained by a professional. And so we avoid those types of situations. And and we pay attention to the mannerisms and all the types of nonverbal communication because they wholly depend on nonverbal communication, to communicate. And so it’s very important, we do keep that journalistic integrity, which is what really sets us apart from many other organizations out there. I mean, there’s other news organizations who care to Deaf and Hard of Hearing populations, and we we applaud them, but one of the things that that continues to allow us to be sort of head above others, in the sense is that journalistic integrity is that journalistic professionalism that comes in into play, especially when it comes to business. In politics, and we get a chance to bring on board interpreters, also very professional, that we have a very high standard that we that we stand by. And we and we criticize, we do stand by those standards. And we do pride ourselves in being in that space, not in an arrogant sense, but in a way that we want to promote responsibility, responsible journalism, not trying to impose opinion. And it is a hot topic, it does come up.

Tracy Brinkmann  30:28

Absolutely. I mean, I, my wife and I are avid followers of it, I think more so this year. Right? Because the the pressures on to the presidential race has been, has been a bit different. Especially coming up, coming out of the coat. Yeah, right. Just especially coming out of the COVID experience. Right. I think, you know, this whole past, what, eight months now, right, almost eight months, six months, have really flipped things on their ear. And and I’m really talking beyond just who you pick for President. I mean, we’re talking about some of the senatorial committees that are going on, you know, where you’ve got the Facebook’s and the Twitter’s and the Googles going in front of these committees gone? Hey, are you should you be doing that? Yes, or no, I mean, right. There’s a lot of things going on under the surface. And you got to be informed. And there’s a there’s a lot of data and a lot of information. And you and I applaud you for sharing the information in your in a journal and even journalistic matter, right, I think I think that’s not just awesome. But it’s, it’s missing in so many other journalistic channels. We’ve come, you know, I know, I think I’m just a little older than, you

Jabari Butler  31:49

I think you just a little bit older than me too.

Tracy Brinkmann  31:52

you know, 5 12 years, whatever. Right. But I can think back when I was a kid, when your source of information was the news, right? Everyone was checking out mom and dad were like, six o’clock, bam, right? You’re watching Walter Cronkite, or whoever it was in your municipality. And then there was the newspapers for me in Southern California, it was the LA Times, you know, there’s the Atlanta Journal Constitution, you know, the New York Times wherever you happen to be right. And back then, right? reporters prided themselves on delivering that information that they saw whether they agreed with it or not. Right. Yeah, that’s it. They brought that to the people saying, I disagree with this, you know, and so they delivered it with that message. Hey, I disagree with it. But here’s what I saw. Exactly. Right. But I think over time, and I’m, I’m trying, I don’t want to make this all about politics and journalism. But the fact that you, you made the statement, and you hold yourself to that, to that level, really speaks to what you’re trying to do is an honor behind it. And I certainly applaud you huge efforts.

Jabari Butler  33:03

Thank you so much. Again, I appreciate that, because that’s something that we it’s the constant over here. It’s a constant thing, and we see it all the time we see it everywhere. Yeah. Was that a an opinion? Or was that really what you can’t really tell, and then algorithms change things around, they kind of dish out sort of what they want you to see. And I see all those things with technological standpoint. I’ve seen how that happens. And, and again, you’re right. And I think that it is going to be more important, especially now going forward, because people are making decisions, they’re making life decisions, right off of this information. And there’s gonna be, there’s gonna be a lot more automation behind these things. And they’re gonna find more ways they meaning technologists like me, whatever, will find more ways to get more information out there. But I like to think that there will continue to be places and spaces where we are able to provide something that people can make their own decision on, they can add on either sway you one way or the other. Here’s information, and you can go figure it out. So you have a mind, you can use it.

Tracy Brinkmann  34:07

See, and this is one of the things that always resonated with with you my friend, Jabari, as you were like this way back in a day, like that now, it’s like, Hey, you and I, we don’t have to agree on everything. Right? We agree on a lot of things. I know that we’ve had lots of chats. But the thing is, I can still have a chat with you and say, Hey, this is what I think and you’d be like, okay, that’s cool. You can think that I’m not gonna think that that’s not your your opinions different than mine. And we can walk away, still having a modicum of respect for one another, and then come back together the next day. The next week at the next Toastmaster meeting. Everything’s fine. It’s not like, Oh, well, he likes that thing over there. No, it’s we’re all we’re all to get. Like you said, we are all we right.

Jabari Butler  34:59


Tracy Brinkmann  34:59

but we are all different at the same time.

Jabari Butler  35:01

That’s correct.

Tracy Brinkmann  35:02

And I think there’s the magic right there. Right? Is that all right? We’re all a little bit different. So you’re doing some cool things. Any, any any, any cool things on the horizon? You can share

Jabari Butler  35:15

cool things on the horizon I can share

Tracy Brinkmann  35:17

with you I know you’ve got all kinds of things on the horizon are like, top secret I can only imagine, right? We do.

Jabari Butler  35:25

We do there. Yeah, I wish I could share like this. There’s some people there. There’s some content that we are coming out with that I really wish I could share with you. I have yet to sign an NDA. But I guess I don’t know. I don’t know. I’m trying to make this something else that I hadn’t. Okay. So there is, well, there is an event coming up in December the first and we’re going to be helping with this. This is a virtual event. It’s a fundraiser that’s coming up. Coca Cola is one of the sponsors and organization, the organization is called synergies work. So someone new is going to be providing we’re providing the management behind it, and there’s gonna be a lot of cool thing people on there, and it’s gonna be a big, big deal. There’s gonna be some wine tasting and cheese and things like that virtualization, things like that. So we’re going to manage that event. And then I think there are, there’s Yes, there’s a couple things we’re rolling out in terms of building our broadcast making it much more, we can say we’re going to, we’re going to expand it quite a bit over the next couple of months. And so you’ll be seeing more of that. In other words, we’ll have more on our platform. So but yeah, there’s there’s one that’s really cool. I wish I could tell you, I think

Tracy Brinkmann  36:38

No, I get it. I figured there I figured you

Jabari Butler  36:41

give me like a week. If you give me like a week, probably I could probably push it out. Because what next

Tracy Brinkmann  36:45

I tell you what,

Jabari Butler  36:48

When is this going live?

Tracy Brinkmann  36:49

this is gonna be going live probably in about four, six weeks, so there’s gonna be some time.

Jabari Butler  36:53

Okay, cool. So I can I can say this. Okay. Okay. And so,

Tracy Brinkmann  36:57

Only share what you can I don’t want you getting into trouble, you


no no no, this is for six weeks. Yeah. It has been for six weeks now. Oh, absolutely. Okay, thank you. Because now we have content that we’re gonna be gonna be converting, which is from a young NBA, talent, NBA, okay. And that is like, really major. And so they’ll probably release like next week or so. But, but but the key is that this is an unprecedented thing, because we have this continent, we’re going to make accessible. And it’s something that I think it’s it’s a bit of an experiment. It really is. But I think that fact that this is NBA players and some retire, players will be able to convert a form that was already out there into the form is out there in the public. So that’s not like news that was out there. It’s open to the public, it’s free. But but the translation of it, something that wouldn’t be able to do. And that’s really cool, because we think that once we get that kind of content out out there, it’ll be on our platform exclusive. And I think that will be on our platform and their platform exclusively. Sure. And I think that’s a major, major step for for our group and for the different different engineering community to have had that level of professionalism, Nick, next to us. And then there is a movie coming out that Amazon is pushing. And it’s, it’s coming out in a couple of days, it’ll be hitting the theaters, and limited release in Atlanta. Okay, two days. And there’s a there’s an interview that I can say this much can’t say who but we did get a chance to interview one of their key people. And the interview will be made available. Oh is available now is available now. It’s either available now or is going to be available in the next day or so our app. Okay, so we got a chance to interview one of the one of the main characters in this movie. Nice. So we think that’s going to be is called the what is the name of that movie is called the sound of sound. Sound of metal. Okay, so that is coming out in two days in theaters, and it will be in DC in December, they’ll be out all over Amazon. And so do some cool projects, we had a chance to connect with Amazon Studios to to work with that. So that was a really cool experience. And so I think we’re going to look forward to doing other things but we’ll have a chat session or it will be a sound table, not a round table. But it sounds like we’re gonna have a cup of our, our Deaf staff talk about or chat or communicate with each other regarding what they thought about about this, this this movie and I think it’ll be interesting session that’s gonna be coming from a mistake.

Tracy Brinkmann  39:54

So that’s gonna be cool. Do you think and this is just I’m just I’m I could sit here and talk about this. But I think one of the things that’s piqued my interest is in you being the tech guy, you might be able to give me some insight.

Jabari Butler  40:08

Oh, sure, sure.

Tracy Brinkmann  40:09

So do you think that the tech is there or almost there to enable your core clients, right, your core audience to watch, I’ll call it say, here’s a great example. I’m cruising through my social media, and I see this video, maybe it’s whoever it is somebody and they’re talking, right? And there’s no, there’s no subtitles? Do you think that technology is going to be there now? Or soon for someone to say, you know, I click this button here, and some ASL person will pop up? And you know, or maybe it’s a computer generated ASL? I don’t know. I’m just I’m just thinking of so many ideas that you could be taking this, it’s like, Are we there yet? Or is there still some limitations that are keeping that?

Jabari Butler  40:58

Right? So there’s a lot of technology in that space, there are some technologies that do convert what people are saying, like real time apps where you can talk, you can see the the caption come across the screen. I’ve seen those. Yeah. But when it comes to just anything, I think you’re right, there is a step to this. And there are some steps that have to be taken to make that more successful, because it’s very, very difficult language to decipher. And so, MIT some other organizations have have made great attempts, folks in other countries. And I think Microsoft, they’re always trying to find ways to to bring that type of technology to life. Now, there’s so many nuances with the language that it makes it a challenge. So there are a number of companies that are working towards that now. Nice to be able to be in that mix, to help bringing about a course that’s what we like to do it.

Tracy Brinkmann  41:54

It’s, it’s funny, and here’s here’s what, here’s what really brought it to mind. So, obviously, it wasn’t this year, but I went to go see the show Hamilton live down in Chicago. My daughter’s a huge Hamilton fan. And when so many came by, we went to go see them. And one of the times we were there watching him down, down towards the front was a group of people that had ASL translators. Okay, okay. And it. What was amazing is like you’re in when you were telling this story earlier, I didn’t want to interrupt you. You can watch the person that was doing the translation. Yeah, in their face told half the story. Yeah. Right. So they’re using their hands to do all the things in their arms and their bodies, but their face, you know, was telling the, you know, the sorrow and the anger and the happy. I mean, just like they, again, I’m gonna loop this back to our Toastmasters days, right? It’s that that this here is a communication. And I’m waving my hand in front of my face, for those that are just listening to this on a podcast or whatever. But your face tells so much of a story that, you know, if you’re just listening to the words, or just looking at the fingers making boards, right, then you’re missing half the story. So that’s what I was thinking, Oh, my God, could it go there? But there’s so many new, like you said, nuances, and I can see how it could be very, very difficult. And yes, don’t get there. I know, they are not impossible. Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, again, there are some places where they like they’ve, they’ve had some automated anchors, I’ve seen that in some Asian countries. And that’s been out really interesting technology there. And there’s some other technology that follows your hand movement and allows someone signing to be able to convert that into English or some of the language that is out there. And so, so it’s definitely there. And there’s a number of, again, companies, organizations that are really trying to push to make the app and I like to be able to be in that mix. So hearing about it. We thought about it, I thought I thought about these things often. And that’s something that we like to be able to do. In the meantime, we do like to think that we’re working on other kinds of technological advances. Because right now, we’re really pushing the limits of technology to do what we do. I mean, it’s not like anything out there is readily available for us to just do what we do. So there are many workarounds that we have developed, and, and processes that we’ve had to put in place to work around technology that is largely hearing based is hearing culture based technology. So she’ll tell you I’ve had to come up with solutions that don’t really work. Elsewhere, but but but they have to work for us, for us to do what we do so. So even the basic things that we use right now is they’re not geared towards the work that we do. So we have our own processes, we have to kind of force onto it, to think to make our break as well. And so so we’re just dealing with basic one, let alone something that can help translate what we’re doing. So that that was one of the things that we discovered early on was that even my own biases, I have a programming background technology background? In my own understanding, I never had a course in in Morehouse College. I never took a course that talked to me about how we make this work for deaf and hard of hearing people. Sure. I don’t know any other courses out there that really do that intentionally. In the way these things are programmed. That’s there. I mean, for instance, I think one tool we use, if you don’t have audio in it, and you you unplugged the audio, it goes to air, hey, something’s wrong with you. Something’s wrong. You don’t have your audio plugged in. Well, that makes sense. If you’re hearing what if he not hearing? I don’t need audio? Hear me. But I know that that’s how we’ve been taught. Yeah, I’m trained that way. And so those are the kinds of issues that I would like to bring to the forefront. And in asked are, more or less encouraged, programmers encouraged the technology industry to think different about how we develop this technology. And suddenly being an afterthought retrofit, think about going into the process.  Yeah, see, think about the inclusively rather than next year, don’t make the assumptions that just because I have headphones on means I can hear I


mean, it goes to the streaming platform. So the same way, although I think there’s some that are making those changes. But the streaming platforms are a challenge. And we’re in that age now where virtually streaming, everyone has to do it. And so now we’re finding that we’re pushing the limits of that we’ve had, we’ve had to put different tools together to string it all together to make it work. But I think that ultimately, yes, there’s some lab somewhere that’s got something really cool that we like to see. And I like to be a part of making it come out. I will be looking out for that. But, you know, the main thing is that we do our best to make things work.

Tracy Brinkmann  47:02


Jabari Butler  47:03

We still produce.

Tracy Brinkmann  47:06

Still making magic over there.


Yeah. Now I’m gonna say this. You mentioned, one thing I do want you to say I do want you to understand is that none of this has happened easily. A lot of challenges, if there’s anything I would like to say is that anything dealing with this type of entrepreneurial effort, and I’ve started a couple different businesses before, and I know what it’s like to have to go through territory this Uncharted, and this one was fully Uncharted, like there is no one even now that that we look around, and we have nobody to model after we didn’t know who to who to pattern after. We couldn’t pick up a book or Google anything to see what we’re doing.

Tracy Brinkmann  47:47

Oh my gosh, right.

Jabari Butler  47:48

Yeah. And for many things, it continues to be that way. So once we get settled into that space, we said, okay, let’s just start innovating, let’s just create, but that has a has a big price that we’ve had to pay. And it has been lots of challenges. And it has been lots of heartache, a lot of pain, a lot of toil, love tears, so I don’t want you or your audience to think that it was just oh, we just walked in and does all these things. happen, you know?

Tracy Brinkmann  48:20

Because that’s how it always works. Right?

Jabari Butler  48:22

Right. No, it was it was it was it was many unknowns. There were many unknowns. There were many uncertainties. There were many mistakes. There were many challenges. There were many times we had to think twice about what we’re doing and ask questions. And there were many people that didn’t think that we could last this long, we were attacked quite a bit daily. trolls were trolling us like they do everybody. But you’re right. It happens, right. And so we had lots of those things take place. And and we realized that we had to believe enough to know that whatever we’re doing is good. And if we just just stay, stay focused. And if we could just believe long enough in ourselves, and know that, you know, the worst says of God before us who could be against us. And we both have a strong spiritual background. And we believe strongly in the power of faith. And I think that faith and vision are really what what continues to drive us forward is that vision of something better the vision of making another person’s dreams come alive. I think we get encouraged when we see there’s one or two people. It may be, you know, Puerto Rico, or one or two people some distant land. And we’ve never heard of this country’s on this list that we don’t even heard of. Right? somebody out there that has a dream. Now that has a chance to say wait a minute, I could do that too. Maybe I’m the only one here but maybe I’m the only one that’s needed to get this thing started. And I think that what drives us, me in particular is to know that there’s somebody out there That’s getting this in their in their spirit and that there’s somebody out there waiting for us to happen waiting for us to come and make something happen the saying no that day,

Tracy Brinkmann  50:10

I think I think what you’re doing first off what you and your team, your whole crew, right you and Karen have built something really unique. And you’re really like you’re I think you’re you’re getting to is there are people all over the world who are getting information and content that they didn’t have access to, or easy access to before. And that’s for me, that’s changing lives. And if you can change and you’ve heard me say this in speeches way back in the day, I have, if what I say change is one person, one degree, my job here is done. That’s exactly, you know, and so I think what you’re doing is obviously, you’re changing far more than one degree. And again, I’m going to be singing your praises. But I do know and I want to be mindful of your time because obviously you you got probably got a gazillion things going. And you’re an hour ahead of me. So you really rocking it by hanging out with me this late at night. You did share that you had an offer for the audience.

Jabari Butler  51:10

Oh, yeah. We have an offer. So we can certainly provide we do have a subscription. Okay, subscriptions to our broadcast. But I think I do want to work something out where your viewers your listeners can get, at least, you know, we can give up. This is what I remember. So we can give them a whole rest of this year. Anyone would give them a lot code, and they can watch the broadcast on our dime for the rest of the year. We’ll just give them that and they can they can check it out. I’ll be sure to send you the code.

Tracy Brinkmann  51:46

Yeah, we’ll work out the logistics of that and we’ll get that into the show notes for everybody. No, that would be awesome.

Jabari Butler  51:52

Year give it to them and they can watch on Roku TV where

Tracy Brinkmann  51:57

Check it out. Check out the magic that that my man Jabari and Karen Graham have created here. Jabari, like I said, I want to be mindful of your time and I appreciate you really sincerely my friend hanging out for so long. And again, man, I I applaud the amazing things that you guys have created for all our friends out there that that are in need of it.

Jabari Butler  52:22

Matter of fact, we’ll make it 90 days. I’m gonna give him 3 months

Tracy Brinkmann  52:25

90 days.

Jabari Butler  52:26

Yes, there it is. say

Tracy Brinkmann  52:27

there’s a man create magic right there. All right, and we’ll be sure to I will, we’ll connect and we’ll figure out how to get that code in there. And I’ll drop it into the show notes, buddy.

Jabari Butler  52:37


Tracy Brinkmann  52:38

any parting words of wisdom from you, Jabari,

Jabari Butler  52:41

I will say Dream Big big big that was told to me by a number of one of my key people, gentlemen, from your thinking grow rich and black choice. And of course, we don’t think nobody Oh, boy. We know by default. But the big, big big is one of the things that I pride myself on because Dennis Kimbrell is who is the person that shared that with me many years ago, while I was at Coca Cola, and I had no idea that I would, I would be in a position to impact people’s lives like this. And I think that if anyone would dare to dream, then then definitely do it and go for your dreams, go for him. Because you have to believe in yourself. Don’t wait for anybody to, to validate it, and wait for anybody to tell you one way or the other. Just do it. And I think that is funny talking to you. Because if you were to talk to me two months ago, I have a different spot for you. So I’m fresh up fresh in out into this other space that you know, we’ve been able to, to be in in terms of helping people not just different here, people, but it’s also organizations that service or provide advocacy for our population of our audience, I should say. And I think that working with organizations like Gao, in this case, the Georgia advocacy, organization, or office and other organizations like that these organizations that care about the community, and we’re working with, and I think that us being able to, or I should say I think that for us to be able to dream big, it also takes solid partners. It takes good people that you trust and people that you can depend on to be there to support you. I think that we must continue, especially in this age in this era, provide some inspiration, provide inspiration, and go for your dreams and your goals. Don’t be shaken by it. Don’t worry about the fear, where they say feel the fear and do it anyway. Yes, sir. It’s not the fear, as you all would teach us in Toastmasters, not that the fear will go away is that you learn how to manage it better. And I think customer that really you guys are talking about all the time and that has resonated with me to this day is that it doesn’t go away. I just, I’m in situations where I can manage it better. And so I think thank God for for this opportunity. And I think I think my my church Rayo Christian church, I got to reach out to them as well, and my wife as well as me and my daughter mirror, because these are Cornerstone people that are in my life that I cannot do what I do without this sort of network, this ecosystem of people is not just mean my way of doing things, but I realized that there are people who are putting our path for a reason. And I think that if we dare to not only dream, but if there’s one thing I would say to do out that probably the most important of anything I’ve ever had to say, if you never remember anything as a minimum, say do this, and that is write it down. Write it down, date next to it. And think about it and dream on it and visualize it and you know, hit that exact date change the date craft scratch, write another date, write key,

Tracy Brinkmann  56:04

it’s your date.

Jabari Butler  56:06

And keep going until you get there and we want to see you at the top. We got to see you over the top

Tracy Brinkmann  56:13

I know that one too? Yeah, amen Jabari. I I totally hear you about you know, getting those butterflies to fly in formation.



Tracy Brinkmann  56:22

They’re not gonna go away. You just got to get those butterflies to fly in formation.

Jabari Butler  56:28

The Master has spoken.

Tracy Brinkmann  56:31

Thanks so much for hanging out with us, man. I definitely appreciate your time

Jabari Butler  56:34

Thank you sir. been it’s been a pleasure.

Tracy Brinkmann  56:36

Alright, so you have it my friends my man Jabari Butler. Man, I’ve known him for such a long time. And he still amazing to this day. Alright, so let me share some thoughts I came away with thought number one be the bumblebee that doesn’t know you can fly. Yeah, stop giving in to all those things that scare you, or that you do not think you’re able to do be the bumblebee that doesn’t know it can’t fly, and just start flapping your damn wings. dubarry shares how you know he wasn’t doing well in math in his early days in school. So in college, he chose a computer science major and he excelled at it. But he kept wondering why he kept finding math majors in his computer classes come to find out. At the end of the end of the day, he was two classes away from having a minor in math even throw he did not do well in math. In his early days, stop focusing on what it is you could not do yesterday, or even yesterday or start focusing on what it is you have a passion for. And get even better at it. Pick up a book, get a course get a coach on a topic that lights you up inside and become the master you have go from Young Living to Palawan tonight to Jedi Master on the topic so that you can best serve your tribe as only you can. And here’s the next thing inside of that. Remember, you don’t have to be the master before you start serving your tribe. Take them on your journey with you that way you both grow. Alright, thought number two who should you join forces with to magnify both of your missions. Jabari and his business partner Karen both had completely different skill sets, but both had matched passions. As Jabari said, he quote, make sure the tech is tight, and his business partner Karen, make sure that journalism is tight, unquote. See, taking these two completely different passions and put it into together in a project to service their tribe has created a business that they both can be very proud of. So the question becomes, what on your entrepreneurial journey is holding you back from that next level of service to your tribe? Do you know of someone that has a high amount of passion in that very area? Well, if so, perhaps YouTube should join forces and create a win win situation for both of you. I mean, hell shit. If you think about it, it you’re really creating a win win when you win, your partner wins, and more importantly, those you serve, win and isn’t at the end of the day. Isn’t that what it’s all about? Thought number three, hold yourself to a higher standard. When you’re out there in the true fashion of service, you’re going to have to hold yourself and those under your command to a higher standard. After all, your tribe is looking to you for input to you for information and to you for answers. So give it to them, but give it to them. Honestly, if you find something that works for you, but you don’t like the person behind the product. Okay, tell them look, this product works. Great, but I’m not a fan of person x because of this or because of that, be open and honest about who you are and what you stand for and what you don’t stand for, or won’t stand for. If person x stands for something you don’t believe in, then perhaps you’d be better served to find an alternate solution for said product, so that you can share that with your tribe while still being true to who you are, which is hugely important. And I say that because you know, like, not too long ago, I was following someone and you could say I even looked up to them in their area of expertise. And they had some negative things to say, publicly about a popular funnel product in the online space. And they didn’t just say it once. They sit it a number of times. And then shortly afterwards, after they made these statements, I went into one of their funnels and found out they’re using the very product that they were publicly bashing. Do you think this had an impact on how they how I saw them going forward? Yeah, you bet their bibbia did, right. And if you can take your no reputation and just throw it up against the wall like that, and let it back into being pieces. That’s cool. But here’s the thing, it’ll take you a lifetime to build your reputation. But you could lose it in like five seconds. If you’re not mindful. And in alignment with who you are 100% of the time, and I’m not coming at you with a I’ve grown and I’ve changed now, that’s not the angle I’m coming at you from right. If you’ve grown and you’ve changed, well then tell them, Hey, I used to see it this way. And now I see it this way. And they’ll get that. But when you just say hey, here’s how I see it. And I dislike this. And all sudden this thing that you said you dislike shows up in your content and in your products and your services. Now you’re no longer congruent. And you’ll want to hold yourself to that higher standard. Alright, and finally, thought number four, get energized by the vision of bringing someone else’s dream to life. Making Money is awesome. Don’t get it twisted, I’m all about it. I’ve had money and I haven’t had money. And life is quite a bit easier with some money to be sure. All right, I’m not gonna pull no punches in that one. But if that’s your sole purpose, then I doubt my friend that this is the podcast for you. My Dark Horse, friends and family are far more focused on serving their tribe. And the money comes as a result of that, right? helping their tribe bring their passions and their visions and their dreams to life. But to do that, you need your gift. They need your gift, your tribe needs your gift. So stand up, take the first step or take the next step to get your gift out there. Because after all, someone out there needs your gift in order to bring their dream to life. So get out there and help that one person change their life by one degree. All right, my darcars friends and family what inspiring ideas or tips or thoughts resonated with you, whatever they were right. Take some time today and put them into action. Go out there, run your race, get your results, and then come Let me hear about them. I’m seriously no joke. email me at Tracy at Dark Horse schooling. Share the tips or ideas that you came away with how you put into action, and what results you gained as a result. And then I might hit attack. I probably even bring you on the show, so you can share it with the rest of the Dark Horse friends and family. Now on next week’s interview episode, my guest is Jason Portnoy. Now he’s the host of the perfectly mentored podcast. Jason has also been featured in Forbes, Inc, magazine, entrepreneur, BuzzFeed, Yahoo, finance, NBC, ABC, CBS, Fox, the list goes on and on and on. And he’s worked with business owners all over the world. And Jason’s gonna stop by and drop some of his amazing entrepreneurial knowledge. So you’re not gonna want to miss this episode. Speaking of missing episodes, I know you want to keep getting all these valuable tips and inspirational stories from this podcast and guests I’m lucky enough to bring on so please go on down there, hit that subscribe button while you’re there. Go ahead and leave us a five star rating. write some kind words in the review. even tell me some constructive criticism, maybe some guests you’d love to hear onto the show. And of course, do not keep all this entrepreneurial, g o LD all to yourself. Share the podcast with other entrepreneurs and business owners that you know will get value from it. And with that,I’m gonna leave you as I always do, think successfully and take action. Thank you for listening to the Dark Horse entrepreneur podcast. Thanks for tuning in. Check us out at www dot Dark Horse schooling done calm. My name is Tracy Brinkmann.

EP 142 Jabari Butler Somebody Out There Needs Your Gift
Why Is It Important To Get Your Idea Or Gift Out Into The Marketplace?

  • Be the bumble bee that doesn’t know you can’t fly?? – Stop giving into those things that scare you or that you do not think you are able to do. Be the bumble that doesn’t know it can’t fly and just start flapping your wings.
  • Who should you join forces with to magnify both of your missions? – Jabari and his business partner Karen both have completely different skill sets but matched passions. As Jabari said he “makes sure the tech is tight and his business partner Karen makes sure the journalism is tight.”
  • Hold yourself to a high standard – When you are out there in the true fashion of service you have to hold yourself and those under your command to a higher standard. After all, your tribe is looking to you for input, information and answers. So give it to them but give it to them honestly.
  • Get energized by the vision of bringing someone else’s dream to life – Be like my dark horse friends and family who are far more focused on serving their tribe. Helping their tribe bring their passions and their visions and dreams to life. But to do that they need your GIFT.

Jabari Butlers’s links

Jabari’s Website

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