Larry Hankin, Tracy Brinkmann

Tracy Brinkmann  00:00

What can we entrepreneurs learn from a 50 plus year career in stand up comedy and Hollywood films? Stay tuned to find out. Okay, here’s the question. How are we dark horses? You know, the ones everyone is betting against the ones they don’t expect to win place or even show on the track. And they’ll even laugh on us. When we talk about trying. How do we show the world our greatness and triumph? Come on? While that’s the question, and this podcast will give you the answers. This is the Dark Horse entrepreneur. My name is Tracy Brinkmann. What’s up what’s up What the hell is up my dark horse friends and family. Welcome back to your weekly dose of comedic and Hollywood film learning. I’m your dark horse host Tracy Brinkmann and you will that my friend is infinitely more important to you or a driven entrepreneur, or one in the making. Either way, you’re here because you’re ready to start restart kickstart just start leveling up with some great marketing, personal or business tips and results in order to build that beautiful business of yours into the Empire. It absolutely deserves to be and man Do we have a superstar episode for you today? Today, Larry hanken. Here the man himself and if you don’t recognize the name, you’ll recognize the face when you see it. Larry Akin shares the importance of absorbing things, what we can learn from our hard times, finding your audience and remembering to make them laugh, and so much more. You’re gonna love the stories that Larry is going to share in the lessons packed inside. And plus, I’m gonna let you in on next week’s interview episode Guess who founded hype life brands which specializes in building, launching and growing b2c and DTC lifestyle brands and startups. As per usual, the Dark Horse corrals are chock full of personal business and marketing g o l d spilling from every corner of the Dark Horse entrepreneur HQ. So let’s get to the starting gates and go Hi, my dark horse friends and family today we’ve got this special interview an extra special interview even today, our guest is none other than Larry hanken. Now Larry is an actor, performer, director, comedian and producer. He’s known for his major film roles is Charlie butts in escape from Alcatraz. He was Ace and running scared, Carl our funds in Billy Madison. And Larry also played doobie and planes trains and automobiles Sergeant Balzac and home alone, Mr. freckles and friends and dro in Breaking Bad all totaled, Larry has over 190 credits under his acting belt covering over five decades. But I don’t want to steal all of Larry’s thunder. So let’s get stuck. right in. Alright, Larry, welcome to the Dark Horse entrepreneur, man. And, you know, I know I have been seeing you on the movie screen, the big screen and the little silver screen for what, five plus decades. Yeah, and I’ve been around that long. So I’ve seen you come up and just do all kinds of great things. But I wanted to get obviously Lucky me to to show. Usually what I stepped right into is, you know, I shut my running mouth. And trust me, I can run my mouth and let you tell your story. But you have such a huge story. And we have an hour. So I mean, there’s not enough

Larry Hankin  03:33

time there’s there’s never just just a you know, I I’m just interested in whatever you’re interested in.

Tracy Brinkmann  03:41

What I think I think what we’ll do is we’ll start with, I want to start here, and then we’ll see where it takes us. I was doing a little research to try and dig in a little bit more about the things I don’t know about Larry. And I learned about you got into poetry. And I learned the reason why you got into portrait. I think it was back in high school. Yeah. And then you got your design degree. You went on to be an illustrator and then you got into comedy and stand up right and then actor and obviously the acting piece so many of us know you for and then since then, I mean you’ve done directing and writing in the whole nine yards. So I said terriers. I’m a Sagittarius. Okay, what does that mean? You’re a Sagittarius other than the


Sagittarius are they’re into everything Ah, that’s what it really is. Very curious sign

Tracy Brinkmann  04:32

right. And I kind of feared that had to be what it was because I mean, you have taken this this long weaving path to you know, to see the success. The reason for that yo I that’s what I want to hear.


I’ve never wanted to do anything in my entire life. I have never had a desire or an aim or a goal. So I just go with the wind. I just go with what it shows up. I think that that that piques my curiosity, I mean I have to be interested in Well, yes. So I just do something until I get bored. And then they just leave, or I just do something until something better or somebody better comes along, and then they just jump across. Just like I’m gonna go over there.

Tracy Brinkmann  05:16

I know I was, I caught in an interview you had done with a gentleman, and you were sharing your reasons for getting in the poetry way back when? And if I remember the quote you gave him it was because I wanted to get laid. Yeah, yeah. Right.


I that’s the only reason I can think of anyone why anybody would go into. I mean, I don’t know about females. I know that guys. It’s always in the back of their head. I don’t know what’s in the back of women’s.

Tracy Brinkmann  05:47

They’re just, that’s a whole nother show. Right


there. Yeah, it’s a whole other show. But, um, but I’ve always I always had an interest in, in writing. And it’s interesting where things take me Take one but me in particular, to explain what I just told you about. I never want to do anything. I did join the poetry club, because I thought that there was only girls in it as I did some a little research and, you know, I wanted to join something, you know, I mean, I was like, in high school. I was like an outlier. I was a weird guy. I was really funny, though. Right. I wanted to get in the mix. I was a bad joiner. You know, I wanted to French. Well, poetry and I noticed that there’s a lot of girls and so I thought, Oh, well, there’s, you know, I can join it’ll be socially good for me to join. But I’ll get late. I mean, that was that was there you have it in my mind. And, and I’ll put up with the poetry card of it. Turns out that I didn’t get laid. It didn’t work out. I got off friends. I got a lot of girl friends quite a lot of trouble with their boyfriends. That was hitting on there. Go. So I so um, but the poetry stuck with me for some reason, which has to do with my DNA. It wasn’t a conscious thing. Sure. But I absorbed all this stuff. I went and you know, that was a regular. I mean, I never missed a meeting. I think I met once a week. And it was us all girls, I was the only guy in the class or whatever it was. And so I was kind of disappointed when I left high schools. And that didn’t work out. I gotta get a better plan. But, but the poetry part years later, when I started to write, it just blew my mind. It was all there. I mean, I had absorbed pretty much everything. Not, not consciously though. And that’s one of my traits. It’s one of my markers. I I do absorb things I had a my friend just wrote a book, a really great book called a diary of an OCD bookseller. Oh, my goodness, it’s really cool. And it’s blew my mind. But um, he asked me to write a blurb for it or forward or something, right. I’ve known him for about two years, we just hang out together. And it’s I think it’s going to be on the bestseller list. Frankly, that’s my take on it. And I’m reading it. And it turns out that we used to talk about well, so he asked me to do the foreword, right. So I bet he wouldn’t give me the book because he thought because I was writing a book too, about my life. Sure. Well, I observed things. I’m an artist, you know, I’m a writer, right? I don’t want to he didn’t want to show me the book because I thought I would either steal it or just, you know, like Robin Williams. I mean, if he just sees your show, something is bad. Yeah, that was I was a stand up comedian. It would be a nice show. And he wouldn’t even know he stole it. It would just be something that he heard somewhere and he would boom, right? And I guess all artists are like that are all comedians are all writers are all whatever’s I think, God, he was just so I wrote he only would show me 12 pages. But he wanted me to write a review of the book. Somebody only gave me 12 pages. So I said, Okay, I’ll review the 12 pages. So he sent me 12 pages. I read them. And then I read a foreword for the book from the 12 pages. Now I’m reading the book, I got the book. It’s published. It’s out there reading the book, and I read my forward it’s in the book. My foreword is in the book. Okay. Thanks to the 12 pages. I wrote a exact review of the book. In other words, I do absorb things accurately because I only had 12 pages and I’m reading the foreword I wrote and it’s right on that what I’m reading now. Nice. So it is nice. It’s lucky because consciously I don’t absorb anything. And that’s not, I’m not. That’s the truth. That’s the fact I have dyslexia. So if you tell me something, any instruction, you know how to change it, tire? Well, I can do that. But I mean, it’s complex and you want to explain it to me verbally. No, forget it that way. You know, but maybe three weeks later, I will get it because the subconscious has come up. And now


we’re aware I know this.


Yeah. So it’s kind of a weird thing. I guess that’s why I never had never wanted to do anything. Because I think

Tracy Brinkmann  10:41

I’ve met a number of folks over the course of my time on this big blue spinning globe that are more creatives like I believe you are in that they have the same kind of feeling about absorbing things like I know they, Robin Williams is a great example. Right? He sees something once and all sudden, it’s it’s Tony Martin. I’m Jesus what we have. Yeah, but I think as creatives though, you experience live in whatever that is, whether it’s reading a book, or riding a bike, or changing a tire doing stand up comedy, it’s now a part of who you are. So now it comes out in your creative juices. But


does that make sense? No, it makes perfect sense. And it’s just that has just that lack of form of focus and exactness and acuity. It’s just kind of part of it’ll come out here. And part of it’ll come out there, you know, and it’s just one event on one day, and I’ll use this for that. And that for this, you know, and it’s and then I will know where it came from. Maybe somebody remind me or some blah, blah, blah, right on. Yeah. And so I depend on that, like, I was an improviser, I was a great improviser. When I was a stand up comedian, I never wrote anything. I didn’t know how to write a joke. I didn’t know how to, it wouldn’t come out because it was a conscious act. I got to write a joke to conscious. And then we get up on stage and just talk about my day. And it would be very funny, because it’s just I was tapped into the subconscious. The

Tracy Brinkmann  12:14

only guy who knows what that is, right? The ether. I


don’t have to think about it. I’m okay. Just like I’m trying to. I’m learning the guitar and what what? I can make music if I don’t think about it. I don’t think about my hands. I don’t think about my voice. I don’t think about anything. I just Just do it. You know,

Tracy Brinkmann  12:32

it’s kind of like be in the moment, right? Yeah, I’m


kind of now kind of guy. It’s and it’s because of the dyslexia. I mean, I’m sure, but I live in the moment. And that’s the everybody says, Hey, you know, be here now, you know, Baba rundas LSD, but it doesn’t work for me. I’ve always been my entire life in the now and that few You know, there’s rent to pay next month, and that doesn’t work. Right does not work. So that’s bullshit. It’s, you know, both. That’s something I’m not throwing one out. Right. Right. Both it’s, you know, and I was only in one. So consequently, I would never make any plans. When I was in the committee, which was my salad days. I gotta be there forever. And I just went into work every day. And I improvised them, you know, at night and never studied. We rehearsed but we never rehearsed what we want to improvise. You can’t do that. It’s right. So I always lived in the moment and learned that it’s a trap. I mean, it’s a nice philosophy. If you’re a Zen Buddhist, that works great. works great. But, you know, on top of it

Tracy Brinkmann  13:44

not too many of us are living there anymore.


Yeah. So but yeah, that’s kind of I’ve always been in the now and try to get out of the now.

Tracy Brinkmann  13:53

living in now. But think


about the future. There we go. Yeah, yeah, just keep in mind tomorrow, and you’re gonna wake up. Yeah, keep

Tracy Brinkmann  14:00

in mind the rent that’s coming out. Right.


That’s, that’s my driving force. And rent. I just don’t worry about

Tracy Brinkmann  14:10

well, I know there was a period of time when you didn’t have to worry about rent you were Wasn’t there a year or two that you lived out of your car for a while?


Yeah, I was homeless. Oh, my God. Yeah. Then you have your all you have when you’re homeless is no, it’s it’s not even a concept of tomorrow. There is no rent. There’s you all you have is time. How you know, there’s only two things I wrote a book about it. But there was all you have is thing it Oh, get this. Here’s your rules. If you ever going to be homeless or want to be homeless or you are homeless, I boiled it down to just two things. get through today and find a safe place to sleep tonight. And you’re home free, completely own rate. That’s my advice. And that’s how I live for a year. It was a year when I lived in my car. car and you had my batteries stolen had my guitar stolen. You have to and when you when you’re the most important thing when you’re homeless if you’re living in your car anyway, it’s your guitar and your your battery. Those are the two things you don’t care about food, you can play your guitar to pass time, right? Food is very trendy trends. If you eat it, it’s gone. Now these are the guitar, it’s always there, and your battery and the reason for your batteries. Not that you have to go anywhere. All you have to go to is the other side of the street on Monday, Wednesday and Friday. And if they take your battery, your phone,

Tracy Brinkmann  15:41

how do I get my car across the street? Now?


We got to get your friends to push the car across the street. I mean, it’s really weird. And yeah, and it’s illegal to sleep in your car overnight. If it doesn’t have a bathroom. That’s the rule, by the way. And that’s how they judge it.

Tracy Brinkmann  15:57

Stop it.


No, if they if cuz I was found by the police sleeping in my car in various places, which I thought was cool. You know, okay, it’s Wednesday. It’s Wednesday. I’m cool. For tomorrow. It’s alright. Are we okay? And then there’s the wrapping of the window with a nightstick. cheerilee or you wake up to the rain? And it’s really not it’s a drunk kissing on your back?


You know,

Tracy Brinkmann  16:24

that’s, that’s not a good wake up call for


details that tell you I was homeless. So, uh, yeah. So when you’re, you’re the Yeah, the battery and the food? I don’t know. I just go on.

Tracy Brinkmann  16:39

That’s okay. So what I know you were having a very successful career, you were opening up for folks like Woody Allen and even even for some mainstream rock bands, in arena,


Miles Davis 11 spoonful of blues projects, or the rock bands of the 60s I was opening for

Tracy Brinkmann  17:02

which, which, which for the folks like myself nowadays, you know, usually it’s another band opening for a band, not a comedian doing stand up


was for a while, but but then things started to change in the late 60s, late 60s. Alright, in the mid mid to late 60s where they say they wanted comedy was starting to come up. coffee houses, okay, because the open mic nights and all of a sudden that was just focusing years and stand up comedians, that was it. And I was living in Greenwich Village. And every second store was a coffee house with an open mic night and you just go from open mic nights open mic nights, you know, used to do your three to five minutes. And you know, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday and Sunday. And you just in the add about six coffee houses that you just keep on going around you do the Early Show. later Later, later show and then you come back to the first one and do the Late Show. Two shows in one coffee house for five minutes. And it was really cool. I never wrote anything. They’re very kind I that was the best time was was in the committee improvising because I didn’t memorize anything you just say that and an open mic nights because you only have three to five minutes to fill so you there’s no way to bomb because everybody in the coffee house is just waiting there for their friend to get up so they can applaud. You know your five friends with you. So they it was it was okay to just wait three minutes for this unfunny comedian who get off the stage? No booing No, you just sit there quietly. So is very nice. Very kind very, you know. I don’t know, comedy, you know, just right here. There was not known no booing or hissing. And you could just do and I could just talk about anything I wanted for five minutes. And I did have a photographic memory for laughs Okay, so all comedians do have that. I would just get up and I would talk for five minutes. If I had one laugh, then the next coffee house, I would just know the setup and punchline to that one left. And I’ll go

Tracy Brinkmann  19:11

right to that one and then add more stuff. Yeah. Yeah, I


mean, I did. And it wasn’t again, it wasn’t any energy on my part. I would just forget not have available no access to things that were in funny. The next time, I would just say, Oh, you know, I was talking about fire engines yesterday. And I remember I got a laugh. I’ll talk about fire engines tonight. And they’ll just get up there. And the only thing I would remember was the funny stuff. Well, that’s a good skill to have. Yeah, but it had nothing to do with me. I mean, I wasn’t trying to sift or you know, weed out it just so consequences. I was never writing, but my punks as they call them, but my hunch of comedy again, Other, like a snowball really, really fast cars, from one coffee house to another, I’d be dropping off remembering the jokes. So in one night, I could get like maybe a three minute piece just from different Coffee House laughs from different places.

Tracy Brinkmann  20:17

So here’s the here’s, here’s the real question for me. And I know both sides of this, when when folks are coming up, how long does it take them to know they’re funny


with a guy come when you come off the stage, and there’s a man standing there saying, Hey, you got an agent?

Tracy Brinkmann  20:35

That’s what do you know, you’re funny, right?


That’s when you know, that’s what happened with me. That’s what happened with all of us. Everybody in Greenwich Village, and I’m talking about Bob Dylan and Peter Paul and Mary and Cosby. And just the entire 60s was filled with people in Greenwich Village, right, like Knights that are now huge stars. You’re all over there every every but nobody was known. I mean, okay, so the point was, nobody wanted to be famous, then that was too far away. You’re in Greenwich Village, you’re working open mic nights, right? But what you wanted was representation. One said, Hey, you got to manage it. And if you got a manager, you were king of the village for like that evening, or whatever


you would be talking about? Hey, man, you know, I


can just kind of manager man. Well, I’m through with open mic nights. I think I’ll you know, try auditioning for a nightclub or no, all of a sudden you are King. Hell, you know, and yeah, it didn’t matter what your manager was. You could be a washed out old guy, young, incoming new guy, a real manager, a fake one. It didn’t matter. I had representation. I was cool. You were the

Tracy Brinkmann  21:48

next step. was fun. Nice. So. So you get through Greenwich Village, you get representation? I mean, across your career, you’ve covered a lot of projects. What shifts you from doing stand up to acting? It seems like night and day?


Well, that’s a good question. Okay, so the guy who I came off the stage with who said, Hey, you got a manager, who happened to be a Woody Allen’s manager. Okay. Now, I didn’t know that. He was just a guy. He didn’t. If somebody said to me, and which is what he did, he actually said, as it came off the stage, he says you got a manager? I don’t know. Just how would you like one? Oh, would you want one? You want one? So yeah, yeah, cuz everybody, right? So you say, Well, how about me? I said, Sure. No, I didn’t know who he was. I you know, but he wanted to be my manager. I said, Sure. He said, Okay. I said, What do I do now? He said, just keep doing what you’re doing. I’ll just check in every once in a while, by any and he left. And I didn’t know his name. He didn’t give me a card. Nothing. He just said, Oh, I think he probably told me his name, but it didn’t register. Here’s jack, who’s witty manager and he’s a famous manager. He’s in managing business. He is very failed. I didn’t. Ben probably back then he wasn’t famous at all. Fair enough. Because woody was just working across the street. He was just working in very small nightclub in Greenwich Village. Okay. Jim Paul, I’ll show show upstairs at the downside. That’s where he was. So I knew of him. But you know, he was just another stand up comedian. So what happened was, how did I make the transition? jack finally came in one day and he said, okay, he would come in, he would stand in the back and he would, I would come off the stage and say, that was a good set. You know, keep keep up the good work, you know, you’re really fun. And then one day said, Okay, I think you’re ready. I booked you in a nightclub Wow. Oh, man, I’m out of the village. This was incredible. So that was the first step. It was at number 1/5 Avenue, which was in the village so I didn’t even have to, you know, go and go out of town or village I was doing that coffee houses in the village. And this is right on the edge of the village you know, three blocks away. Number 1/5 Avenue, a Tony Bistro of what and I was opening for Shan twos, you know, nightclub singer, you know, at the gloved hands all the way up




and then down. And the you know, arrangements Hey, I would come out and do you know, Greenwich Village patch stuff. And it wasn’t going over the you know, I was at all you got to find your audience. Interesting. Yeah. Because in the village, anything when you know, but wow, this is you know, so the audience is very quiet, but I made it through. And the interesting thing was this guy who was my manager, jack Rowan’s, but I still didn’t know it was Woody’s manager. He didn’t tell me I had no cause to ask who else are you managing? But he is He kept he booked me in other nightclubs and I started to realize you have to find your audience that sometimes I was booed off the stage and I’m talking about a guy coming across the dance floor, you know, a nightclub, you know, stage isn’t really that high. Nice coming across a guy coming across the stage with an upside down beer bottle in his hand, say Get the fuck off the stage and bring it on Kingston trail. Whoa, your time is done. You know, nobody told me about this. I thought you know, the world is like an open mic night. That’s that’s the shock. I you know, I so I got off the stage immediately. And I sat at the bar, because I’m not gonna fight this guy. He’s was a Starker as they say. So I start to get a lot of that now when I was opening for the bands and stuff that was okay. And I was opening for Miles Davis. That was great. And I was opening for Woody Allen. And that was okay. It was a little Latino and they still left because woody was funny. So this guy’s

Tracy Brinkmann  26:05

what is a different type of humor, you know, a really


different type. But, but but but still even funny. Maybe the left was left Willow eye open for him. So yeah, I don’t know. But they were kind, but I knew that something was up again. It’s not my audience and then Kingston Trio. That was the beer bottle guy when he said Get the fuck. And he said, Get the fuck off the stage. I mean, he wasn’t kidding around. I got off the stage. And I call my agent. And I said, jack, and I said, Look, man, I can’t do this. You know, I because what I discovered was and where my mind really was at, as I was working my comedy was was the critical thinking comedians, you know, Lenny Bruce, George Carlin, Richie Pryor, who had just learned he was kind of finished, but he would come Well, many was finished. But Carlin and Pryor were just coming up our famous but I knew they were funny. They were in the village, and I was going to see them, even Robin Williams there. But nobody was famous. But I’ve so I started to get into grid critical thinking, and that’s when the explosion of Hey, get the hell off the stage. And that happens a lot. I mean, I would do arena shows with 11 spoonfull. And even college students would say no, we don’t want to hear that I was talking about God. No critical thinking, you know, sex, drugs, rock and roll, you know, whatever important, important stuff that I would be foolish about. I wouldn’t treat them. Importantly, that’s I guess what kind of man but that was being thrown off the stage a lot. And then I find the cops were pulling me off the stage. I was getting go Lenny Bruce treatment, literally, the phalanx of you know, 20 cops coming on to say 20 cops to take you by who’s just being funny on the stage. We have to take you up. But that’s what was going on. So I call jack and it’s I can’t do this man. I’m a middle class Jewish kid. And I’m not even doing drugs yet. doing drugs yet. They’re pulling me off the stage because they think I’m doing drugs. I’m not doing drugs. So I couldn’t. I couldn’t understand why they were pulling me up. I didn’t. I didn’t make the connection, though. It’s what you’re talking about Ed, but they were just and I said I can’t do this anymore, man. It’s not fun for me. I was doing it for fun. Wasn’t even writing you know, so he said why he joined Second City, which I did. I auditioned for second city. They were in New York and I happened to be in New York and then I got edition with Robin Williams. He wasn’t Robin Williams yet, but he had the the bib overalls of the rainbow spenders. So you’re Robbie. Well, really. So we and he went to one company. I went down to St. Louis. We were there. We were held over we were pretty cool. It was improv group seconds. And then Paul sills came down and said hey, you to me and the jack burns said come on up to Chicago we want you in the show. So went up to so that was kind of starting me off towards acting. To stand up now I’m on stage but I’m saying my own words. And then I went to school up there in Chicago, Second City School in prop school. Okay. Viola spolin. And Paul sells you know that the leash Strasburg’s of impro I mean, you know, I was so went to school with all these famous people Alan Arkin. And just I can’t remember, but you’ll know that if I right anyway, so I was there for about six months. I finally made mainstage I was on the main stage. I was in the show. And but we had too many people. It was nine people in it. That’s too many. You can’t improvise it too many. nobody’s getting enough time to sharpen their chops. Yeah. So you need 554 guys and a girl for some strange reason. I don’t know why that worked out. But everybody was doing four guys in a girl. That’s it. Sometimes they tried. You know three guys and three girls or four guys and two girls. And it somehow it didn’t work. But I think that that was a farce. They just wouldn’t give it a chance. Right? There it is. Anyway, five of us broke off from Second City went to San Francisco to open up a show an improv called the committee. And we rivaled Second City we and that was what our purpose was, let’s go to San Francisco, because there’s too many people here. And we’re not getting enough time on the stage. And I had been let go, because it was nine people. And we were, you know, last hired first. And so we went to San Francisco. And that opened up Hollywood. See, they’re newer in San Francisco. And in those days, in the early 60s, it was only $35 round trip to fly to San Francisco and backed out. So all the green light people who can hire and fire people, they were flying up, they would Chicago is too far to fly. But we weren’t as famous as Chicago, second See, right? says, Hey, well, let’s go up there, just to see the show,


you know, look at San Francisco, see the Golden Gate Bridge. And what they would do is they come up and when they get back, they’d say, Hey, I saw this person in the show. Get them down here for this sitcom. So all of us were flying down now to do sit comes for a week or a day, come back, and then the money was so good that they would go down and never can never

Tracy Brinkmann  31:24

come back. He went to LA and never came back.


Yeah. So the attrition was what finally got me down there. I would go down once or twice and come back, but I just wanted to improvise. I didn’t like the people down there. Or Hollywood down here. That’s where I am. Yeah, I didn’t like the vibe. It wasn’t. It wasn’t carefree. It was suits, suits and CEOs and green lights. And you can’t do that. And why are you doing that? I just couldn’t. It was a

Tracy Brinkmann  31:53

great energy. Yeah,


finally the committee closed. You know, every because of attrition. Everybody who was a good the original company all left and I just refuse to go. So the second company was just from actors in San Francisco, who had no experience acting or any or improvising or anything. So we would have to put them through school I was teaching for a while. But it just wasn’t working out the the the quality, the attack, we were you know, we call ourselves Dobermans. That’s what we were okay. And the director would come in and say what the the examiner or the Chronicle paper papers, whether the la times in the New York Times and say, Okay, let’s get Nixon or let’s get Johnson or let’s get this so let’s get these guys. And he would he would just what we would do is read interesting news items from the paper doesn’t matter what page back with the funny papers. And we see what we can do that tonight or let’s talk about this or let’s work on some characters or Oh, we discuss the news of the day which was great because it fed my critical thinking are critically right. And it gave it gave me and the rest of the company great reading habits and and satire habits. So finally, when it closed, I had to

Tracy Brinkmann  33:18

go down to LA cuz you now listen to a dark horse entrepreneur podcast. I couldn’t


go back. I had to go forward. Right? It was money down there. They knew me. I had done a couple of shows. So that’s how I got attacked. It’s a long way around answering your question. No,

Tracy Brinkmann  33:33

no, that was that was my story. Yeah. Well, we know it wasn’t a direct route. But that’s that’s. That’s really cool. Yeah, I don’t think it is many of us, is it? I guess, really? Oh, my goodness. So here’s what I wanted to dig into. So I was I was watching an interview of you, you were out at some events, and you were pitching a movie idea. Or maybe it was a series of movies, but the the focus of it was this character of yours that you had created, you actually spent 10 years in development of Emmet, Emmet, tell me a little bit more about imaging and 10 years, what’s up with that?


Oh, it’s longer than that. Now, I’ll give you the exact thing because I made a drawing, and I put a date on it. And I left it when I left home, where you know, I would go home for vacations and stuff. So I left it my sister picked it up, saved it and let about 234 years ago sent me she’s Hey, I found this you know, and there was a date on it. 1976 It was me. And it was an old guy and the story. I can tell you the story of how I got the image and it was very premeditated. It was the most premier and it and it turns out that I like I told you I’ve never wanted to do anything. I never had any dreams about being but my DNA didn’t And does and, and I never was aware of it, but I am here because of something. And, um, what happened was, I was watching television, and I was watching the sitcom where the mom was a famous actress, movie actor, you know, something like Lucille Ball, okay, which is a movie actress became an inch being Queen of TV. Well, I was watching this, and I found another woman who was a sitcom, mom. But I remember her for the movies when I was growing up black and white movies. And then I saw another one and another one. And I came to the conclusion and said to myself, Oh, my God, when actresses become over 35, maybe 40. This is in the early 60s, we only got 35 to 40. They can’t become movie actresses anymore. They’re too old. Okay, so they become sitcom mums. And I thought, Wow, that’s so sad about women. And it was really true. And it was a thing down in Hollywood. I mean, actresses, movie actors were complaining about this, then they get a job after I’m 40 What the hell is going on? What’s wrong with you writers? So you know, no, good. So I said, What about men? So I started to look at sitcoms about the fathers. And I said, Oh, my God, when male actors, movie actors become 45 to 55, they become sitcom dads. And they started clocking that and it was true. Oh my god. So now I’m an actor. I’m down in Hollywood. And I see my future. And I couldn’t stand it. I mean, I just know I’m not going to be a sitcom dad. I know. Or I said, Come on. I mean,


it’s not it’s so that’s not what I wanted to do. Okay, remember that? That little droid? 1976. Okay, so I said, I’m going to design a character. I had forgotten about that drawing. And then this is, this is, well, 1976. This is in the early 60s. There’s in the late 60s that this thought came about the dead Dad, I don’t want to be a dad. And I thought, well, I have to design a character that I can play as an older movie, right? When I become 55. And my hair is gray. I will have a character like chaplain chaplain made a character when he was 18. And he made him a bureaucrat, that his costume was a bureaucrat, he wasn’t he wasn’t a homeless guy. He was he wasn’t raggedy, right, Lynn’s character, his little tramp always tried to be neat. It was just his clothes wasn’t his right. That was made him homeless, but he wasn’t dirty, or he was a bureaucrat, okay. But and he was a tea. But these bureaucrats was 25 to 35. In other words, he played older. Yeah, he was older. So I took that formula. And I said, Well, I’m Pat, I’m 35 now, and I only have 10 more years or 15 more years before I turn into a sitcom dad. So I gotta go up just like Chaplin. So I’ll make him 55 to 60 gray hair, my, and I call them Emmett. Mum, for me, you know, from the circus, you know, me, Kelly, you know, me, and Emmett, and yet, so I named him Emmett. And I worked on just on my own little movies, which I used the money from my acting, I would pour into making film shorts about me, I have hundreds of film shorts, which are going to go on Patreon soon, all of them. So that’s how Emmet was invented. And then, in 1976, as I was approaching the age, when my hair was starting to get what he called salt and pepper, right? The Oh, well here comes in it, you know, he’s gonna, he’s gonna it’s gonna work. And they made a, a test film in nine teen Wow. 1980 fingers 1970 or 80 called Sally’s diner and again, Academy Award nomination. And basically, my hair was salt and pepper. So I wasn’t old enough. But I was testing out the old guy, Emmitt that I was going to play when I became 55. And 60 was going to be homeless that that I had made up in my mind. Because it would be easy because Chaplin was homeless. I mean, that was the reason the chaplain was homeless. I thought, okay, I’ll do a modern version. And then my sister sent me this picture that I had drawn, and now I was 3540, or something like that. And I was blown away by the accuracy of where my head over the years I’ve taken Emmet, to be, you know, 60 years old white hair, and it was pretty accurate. It was a cartoon of me, older, with a beard and white hair and I had a mustache and a beard. And I’m just blown away by Oh my god. Here’s a guy me was living in the now. And in 1976 I don’t know how young I was. But you know, I was young. I had predicted where I was going to be in 19 in 2020. So a drawing of me now.

Tracy Brinkmann  40:20

That’s that. That’s that creative absorption we were talking about earlier. Right. Yeah, I didn’t even know what’s happening.


Yeah, it just blew me away. But I so Wow, man, it’s pressing, you know. Okay. And so that’s where it came from. It was planning for my nap. It was an anthem. I was planning on not being a sitcom. That is where M it came from. Wasn’t I wanted to be a homeless funny guy. It was a not going to be a doddering old sitcom, dad. That’s what I did. And now it’s coming to fruition. You know? A lot of my movies now I play homeless old guys. requested I say, well, we audition. It’s in what’s the part? Well, you’re a colonel in the Air Force, I don’t think are colonels and ever know you got any homeless people? homeless part. I because I just wanted because I want to write my own movie. Right, which I’m writing them. I’m writing now movies for me. I haven’t one already finished. But it’s a it’s almost a tentpole movie. It’s a road movie. He steals a motorcycle and he wants to be a hero. He wants to be a biker. He wants to be an outlaw.

Tracy Brinkmann  41:33

And you’ve had experience being a biker from your past, right? Well, I


own I own a the replica of Oh, Who’s that guy? There was a movie about a Stephen queen. Okay. The Queen was into motorcycles. And he was in a movie in escape. Second World War escape movie star. He was in a starlog that’s Dalek 70. But he was in a even in escape. prison camp. Army movie, okay, where he escaped by jumping over a fence on a motorcycle. Hmm. In the movie. And that motorcycle, which was a triumph. 650 was a special motorcycle that they got from triumph that they wanted specifically for the movie. So it was it was a unique Lee design. There wasn’t. It wasn’t an amazing thing. It was just different designs specifically for the movie. Okay. And Steve McQueen wrote it in the movie. And he that’s how he escaped. He stole it from one of the Germans. And he jumped out and eat right away. Okay. After the movie. Steve McQueen wanted that motorcycle. Great Escape.

Tracy Brinkmann  42:42

That’s the name of the movie raid escape. Exactly.


And so he got triumph to build him his own, Oh, nice replica of that. Or maybe it was the real one. I don’t know. But he had it after the movie. And he rode around on that motorcycle. And people saw it. And they asked the mayor across the trend to put that out on the market. So they built five because they didn’t want to get into it really go five and they sold five. I go into a motorcycle shop because one day I say I got enough money. I want to buy a motorcycle. So I go into a used motorcycle shop and I go I got $500 What do you got? See brings me over to a mug cake, motorcycle. It’s filthy. I think he just got it the other day that that day or so? Again, clean it up. So I saw it and I figured well, this is going to be cheap. I said, Well, how much is his motorcycles? So how much he got? Instead, I stupidly I said $500 $500 and I went for it because I just liked it man, say give him the $500. And it turned out it was the Steve McQueen copy. Nice. Yeah, it was really nice. I cleaned it up. And I wrote it for about a year. And then one day the stupidly man just stupidly, I was at a bachelor party for a friend and I got hit Facebook is okay. And I wrote it and a guy pulled in front of me and I 40 minutes 40 to 40 to 50 miles an hour right into the site right into his front tire phone like that. Boom. And I went flying. It was described to me flying though the girl in the car, there was a male driver and his girlfriend but she had told me that she said they saw me fly over the hood and land. You know, flat payment. I just woke up. I don’t remember that at all. And I woke up and I hear this voice over me a male voice over me. Please don’t die, please. Clean. I mean, you don’t want to you don’t want to wake up to that. No, you’re laying on the road, you know and you see the road just straight ahead. You know, and you’re laying flat. And I couldn’t move up in finger. I was paralyzed from the neck down. And I yeah, and my first thought was when I realized that because I tried to get out, you know, and I couldn’t move anything. I’m just laying there. And my first thought was, okay, I can put a pencil in my mouth and I can tap things out to write your Wow, man, my will to survive is right there. I mean, it blew my mind laying on the pavement that blew my mind. Where did that thought come from? I can’t move. And then finally, it was I was numb and I could feel the numbness wearing away and I could move. And I wasn’t, I was numb, and I couldn’t move. And then a cop, a female cop bent down towards me. And she said, she whispered it. It was really cool. She was really cool. She said, You can’t say that. I’m telling you the night but you are not issues, the drivers, but you can’t use my testify. I’m not allowed to tell you. That was kind of cool. That is kind of cool. Yeah. And so but I, I got up and I was standing. I’m in about, you know, two, three minutes. I was standing in and I wasn’t hurt at all. I mean, it was nothing. I think I’m maybe a little sore on my chest. But really,

Tracy Brinkmann  46:26

yeah, I’m just concerned that you came up pretty much.




the ambulance had come. I mean, she sent for an ambulance, right. And they came and they said, we have to take you to a hospital. I mean, because the motorcycle is screwed up. loses really, I mean, I really hit it. And so the guy whose fault it was and knee, we dragged it to the side and just left it. I don’t know how I got it back. I think it was there. The next day, they took me to the hospital or maybe somebody I don’t know. I don’t know the event. All I know is I went to the hospital. He said there’s nothing wrong with you. You’re okay. And I just wanted to go home. And and the guy was begging me. He was very well. And I really just got lucky. I don’t have any money. I don’t have any money. We I don’t even have any assurance here. So I just wanted to shut them up because I’m not gonna sue you just get out of here.


I’m just calling. Right. Yeah,


I was. I think I was in shock is what I was. Yeah. You know, when I finally got to my senses, the next day, everybody was saying, Why the fuck did you sue man? Crazy. You know? I don’t know. I just wanted to go home. You know? Yeah, I knew I had no but no help. I mean, I was alone. And he was this guy and his girlfriend and he’s telling the doctors. Well, you know, it wasn’t my fault. It was my fault.




but that So anyway, yeah, that’s my adventure. And I didn’t know I haven’t gotten on a motorcycle. I can’t

Tracy Brinkmann  47:57

imagine why. One fucking drunk night. That’s all it takes.




I’m a I’m a quick learner. I’m a quick study. That’s a good thing. Probably twice. I’ve been on a motorcycle since then. Some shadows.

Tracy Brinkmann  48:11

I can’t imagine. Alright, yeah, I appreciate you hanging out, man. I want to be mindful of your time. But I know you’ve got some projects going on you. You mentioned your movies are going to be up on Patreon. And I know you do some awesome painting you were shown to me, to me right behind you there. Those are pretty cool. Today, yeah, they’re on the website. You know, the real Larry Hagen calm the real Larry hanken.com. I want to make sure we get these links in the show notes. So people can just click right through just a word to everybody out


there. Don’t go to Larry hanken.com because I don’t own Larry hagen.com. Some guy stole it from me. And he’s holding it for ransom. And I’m not gonna pay it. So I got the real Larry. I mean, if you go there, it’s just dead. It’s not

Tracy Brinkmann  48:57

enough. He’s hoping you’ll buy from him right? Here is the funny story with that. As I remember. I’m old enough to remember remember? 20th Century Fox? Yeah. So when the new millennium was coming, somebody was smart enough to go out and buy the URL. 21st century follow? Yeah, knowing that they were going to want to change their name and the new millennium. And apparently he made off with a few 1000 actually with 10s of 1000s of dollars as a result of that for thinking. Well, that’s a


Yeah, and I should have thought of that. But I didn’t. I got the I got the website when I wasn’t. No, no, no, that’s fine. never occurred

Tracy Brinkmann  49:38

to me. We’ll make sure we’re getting the real Larry Hankins calm down in the show notes so people can check out your paintings. And then do you have links in your website that take them to the things you’re doing in Patreon?


Not yet, because the Patreon thing hasn’t launched. It’s gonna launch next month, but I’ll Go to the real Larry Hagan calm. There’s links to everything on there. And most of what’s going to be on Patreon is going to be on the real every hand combat. Okay? He shirts by MIT, there’s a Mr. heckles t shirt. But there’s other all my paintings are on T shirts. In other words, these two paintings are on a T shirt. Oh, nice to see 943 things. So there’s I buy 40 t shirts. Sweet.

Tracy Brinkmann  50:31

I really liked that one that you said you just sold today. That was pretty cool. Look, a hood in the hood in the hood. That’s the name. And once you see it, it makes perfect sense.


Give me a while to think of it. But I like it. And I don’t know what I don’t know what the name of that one is. Just shut up.

Tracy Brinkmann  50:52

I can use that one every once in a while. Yeah. So I have to I want to close with one last question for you. So across your varied history, with some of the obvious superstars, you’ve been able to rub elbows with? Yeah. What’s the coolest story that just kind of pops to mind right now? cruelest. Oh, the cool, coolest, the coolest? The coolest. Okay, cool. coolest,


is that that’s kind of simple, because the coolest two people who would have a story about them that I could tell you is Dan Siegel, who directed me and directed escape from Alcatraz. He’s the and john Houston, who directed me who directed Annie, but john, john Houston. Do you want to hear the story? Is that what you’re asking? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, okay. This is the coolest story that ever happened. And I’ve had some thought. So I audition, which is a whole mental trip about any auditioning for the dog catcher. I was in dog catcher. And by the way, the coolest moment of my life was years later, after I’d done any, I went to a movie come out and gone out in his freezer years later, everybody forgot about it. So I think it’s two years. And I go to a friend’s house and they have a little girl, little girl who’s five years old. Now, I just knew the mom. So I come into the house and I go, oh, how are you doing? Where are you? You know, how you doing? I haven’t seen in a long time I add How are you? And this little five year old girl comes running. And she says it’s the dog catcher. It’s the dog catcher. That is awesome. And I said oh my god, she’s seen the movie. She’s seen the movie, a mom’s has seen the movie. She’s got the book and I and the little girl goes and runs and gets the little the any movie book for little girls. Okay, you know, and she opens up the page and there’s a picture of me catch it. And another one. They they taken stills from the movie, okay, and wrote the story of the movie and made it into a bedtime story book for children. And there she had a picture of means he shows me says here I said, well, Wow, thank you. But no, I’m Larry. It’s just that moment. I’ll never forget that greatest gift an actor can have absolutely girl Come, you’re there. But john Houston. That story is he was for me. When I auditioned, I audition. All the audition is is he is he sits in a chair watching his TV, movies, video, medical monitor, he village village is called where the director sits and watches the camera, okay, but he’s watching his rushes. And then you have brought in by the casting director. And he just you know, you’ll just switch focus, he’ll just turn in his director’s chair and say, Oh, hi, Larry. And he knows your name. Hi, Larry. You know, okay, you know, it’s a dog catcher, you know, you have to cut your hair off because I had long hair was, you know, I was a hippie, and you cut your hair off. He’s very nice, man. And as I’m coming in, you know, and then he turns to me, she’s steering me. She gets behind me. I put her hand on my shoulders. And she’s steering me right in front of him directly, perfectly. And he goes without, like, not even. I’m not even there. He’s just talking to her. What are you doing?


He’s, like, bother you. What


are you doing? What are you doing? And she said, Oh, I’m placing the actor in front of you. So you can see him. He says, Please don’t touch my act soon. And I thought Why are men guys sticking up for me? I mean, I’m new but and so she backs up, you know, like, her hands come off like my shoulders Really? Well, and then he goes, Okay, you know, Larry, you know, you have to cut your hair. Yeah. You know, you just dog catcher. Yeah. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. And oh, so she goes behind me and I had long hair. That’s why you saying you have to you haircut. She goes behind me as he says, you know, you have to get ahead a haircut. She goes behind me she takes my hair was like really long and she pulls it up like, he goes, No what you know, what are you doing? He says her name. Now what are you doing? And she says, Well, I’m pulling his hair up so you can see him without, because he has to get a haircut. And I want you to see him, you know, to help you visualize if any interruption he says I am a director, I have an imagination. Please don’t touch my actors. And I think this guy is amazing, man. I’ve never been stuck up for you know, right, protected this way. Nobody’s ever great. And it needs and then she drops it. But Jesus didn’t know what to do. She’s just standing next to me. And he goes, you understand that? You have to cut your hair up and go. Yeah, yeah, you’re willing to do that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I just wanted to work for this guy. And right. And he goes, Okay, thank you very much, Larry. That’s all I needed to know. Thank you any page back. He’s watching his TV. And she’s about to touch me. Yeah, like, Come this way. Whoa, whoa, oh, I’ll probably go, okay. That’s a setup. Okay, I get to the movie. Now I’m hired, I get the job. I got to know there’s a rule and that I’ve learned that it’s just me, you learn these little things. Okay. When you show up, there’s an ad and assistant director. And his job is generally a young kid. It’s about like anywhere from 18 to 27. And there’s usually one or two of them, then they just and what they do is they sign you in and they show you to your dressing room. So when you show up, find the ad find an ad doesn’t matter. They have to see it. Where’s the ad? The ad is over here. Okay, hey, I’m Larry. I’m done. Catch it. And he goes, Okay, let me show you to your dressing. When I say stop. And this is what I learned. I say, it’s my, it’s my costume in the dressing room. And they know, they know, they will know. So in this instance, he said, No, it’s not. Now I know, I’ve learned that if your costume is in your dressing room, it’s a fait accompli. That’s what you got to wear. No, no talk. That’s it. But if your costume isn’t in the dressing room, it hasn’t been prepared yet. It’s in the costume department. And you can have a say about what to wear. Nice. Yeah. So I he said no, it’s not in there. I said, Okay, then I don’t want to go to the dressing room. Show me where the costume department. So he says it’s over there. It takes me to customs department. I walk in. There’s a person who’s in charge. And I say, Hey, I’m Larry. I’m the dog catcher. Where’s my costume? Where’s my costume? She’s always on the rack over there. We haven’t sorted it out yet. I say great. Can I go over and look at it and maybe choose something? Oh, yeah, sure. So go over there. I’m going through this. It’s a racket. It’s just as different things that dog catcher we were in 1932. I’m going in, I’m going to all of a sudden the voice behind me says What are you doing? I said, Oh, and it’s a guy. Obviously a custom guy. You know, assistance, something like that. Oh, I’m going through. I’m the dog catcher. I’m going to choose I asked I have permission to be here. I have you. Okay, yeah, I What is it takes me It gives you this square cardboard. It looks like square cardboard. It’s tan. It’s obviously cloth. But it’s stiff and it’s square. And what it is. It’s the A mechanic’s


you know what they were in a garage is those Bluth. Okay. Yeah, like those overalls, only it’s 10 because it’s a dog catcher. It’s a coverall




But he has cleaned it, washed it and starched it, fold it and pressed it into a square. That doesn’t mean you got to put a ton of starch in it, say that and he says, this is your customer. he hands me the square. And I give it back to my second with the head. And he goes Why not? Because it starts man. I’m a dog catcher. 1937 in lower Manhattan. I catch mongrels all day no starchy. So you can’t it’s not no starch, no clean, I can’t where they say, Well, this is what you’re wearing. I said I’m not wearing. I mean, I do that I have no sensor. You know, if I get angry, I’ll be angry. Right? And I don’t care where I am or who you are. You know, I I can’t control. Thank God, I don’t get into fights, but I do get angry and let know it. And so I’m Amy this guy says Alright, you won’t wear this. I said no, no, no, no. And also in the back of my mind is john Houston. He directed to trade treasure of Sierra Madre. There wasn’t a clean mark in the entire movie. It’s just all dirt. It’s dirt and gold and gold guys, you know. And so I’m thinking that I gotta make my mark with this with john Houston. So this guy says All right. If you were aware of this, we are going to Mr. Houston. I think a fine man. Let’s just do this. He had stuck up for me at the audition. You know, this guy doesn’t know who he is. Okay, so and now it had rained the night before, but it was sunny out. He’s, uh, he’s now outside the john Houston shooting outside. So you walk in this panels all over but there’s dry spots, we’re fine and it’s a clear blue sky. We go over. And john Houston is doing the exact same thing at the he’s sitting on his chair. He’s all alone. He’s watching TV at the TV village. He’s watching his rushes. He’s, you know, really into it. He hears us coming. He turns he sees us walking. And he says, okay, what’s the problem, Henry? He just like read it. Okay, what’s the problem? Henry? That’s the guy’s name. So guys, what’s the problem? Henry, he jumped the jelly. And Henry comes up. And he’s really mad. Because I’m, I’m not buying his anger or his authority.


Right? It goes, it walks up to me. He’s walking like, it’s like a platter. Like it’s like a silver platter. He’s


going like this is this actor. And he’s pointing me this actor will not put this costume on. This is his costume. And he’s standing there and john Houston goes, is it very casual? He goes, is that true? Larry? Yeah. Why don’t you put the customer because it starts man because you know, it’s supposed to be filthy, amazing depression. And is it? I’m a dog catcher. There’s Mongols and dirty dogs. You know, I’m


carrying them around. I can’t I can’t put that on and read. Is this true? Is this what he said? Yes. Okay, he gets up.


He says, give me give me the costume. So he hands him the platter. So john Houston gets up and he walks away, walks away from us. And as he’s walking away, he’s pulling it apart.

Tracy Brinkmann  1:01:31

The sound of starched shirts being unfair, it just kind of


shake it out, you know, just get you know, and as he’s walking, and as he’s shaking it out and opening up the cover up, he walks with his new Italian beautiful leather Italian loafers into the middle of a puddle puddle is about that


that deep? Oh, my God.


What is he doing? his socks are all wet. That’s what I was thinking his socks or shoes. And he takes the customer and he drops it in the puddle. And then he walks all over. When he walks over the stumping, you know, and he’s very casual, not angry, and I’m used to doing what he’s doing. And then he bends over, he picks up with two fingers picks up and he holds it out because dripping wet. And he walks very casually back to Henry. And he hands it to me, says Henry, take this and dry this out and put it on this actor. Thank you, Henry. Thank you, Larry.

Tracy Brinkmann  1:02:34

He saw both your problems and back to his TVs. I said that’s a director, man. That’s a guy who knows what he wants. When he does. He doesn’t give a about anything. That’s awesome. That’s my that’s my favorite story of that is a great story. JOHN Houston. He is john. You see any long pig pages. Now? What is long pig? Well, he’s been around the world, you know, and he’s famous all around the world. Yeah.


And he found a tribe in Africa that were cannibals. Now it was only on special occasions like religious occasions. And they don’t just go around and kill people sure wants to be a particular reason that this person has been killed, but they eat him. The data and cooked human beings by the natives by cannibals are called long pig.

Tracy Brinkmann  1:03:31

I never heard that. Well, I


read his autobiography. He he not proud of it. Right? I mean, he says in the book, I mean, oh my God. He tried he just who I didn’t know I was eating it or I get heard it was but it was verified that I had eaten Long, long pig. Oh my goodness. But he’s, you know, you just you just you just want to work for the guy. And he never gave me any direction. Great directors don’t give any directions ever. Woody Allen, john Houston, john, john, john Houston, john Hughes.

Tracy Brinkmann  1:04:07

A couple of nice, Larry. Man, I definitely appreciate your coming on and hanging out with us. I’m going Thank you for having me. No, it’s been my pleasure, man. It’s been a joy just listening to some of the amazing stories. And I know we have only scratched the surface of


what kind of stories that I tell on Patreon. It’s just a regular program. You once a week for a half hour I just spew these

Tracy Brinkmann  1:04:30

these are going to be awesome. Yeah, I’m gonna have to check that out. So anyone listening in, when he gets it up in launch, man, go to the real Larry hanken COMM And check out his Patreon and get more and more of these stories. Larry, thanks so much for hanging out with us today, brother. Thank you. All right. There you have it. My Dark Horse friends and family. Larry Hagan dropping Hollywood level bombs on us this week. What thoughts resonated with you? Let me share the ones that kind of stuck in my head. Head, thought number one, absorb things. So you’ve heard me talk about this before. But Larry told his story of why he originally got into poetry. And that was to get laid. And as a former teenage boy, I could totally vibe with that, right? But the lesson that I’m truly pulling out of the story was what happened his life after, you know, when he sat down to write all that past poetry exposure began to come out. His experiences with that poetry were always there, waiting and untapped. It wasn’t until he went into it, that they began to flow. And it wasn’t like he was some genius. You see, I believe there’s this misconception that most successful business leaders achieve greatness because they just are just insanely smart. geniuses, even right? Now, mind you, when you look at people like you know, an Elan musk and Mark Zuckerberg, Reed Hastings, and Warren Buffett, bem, Skippy, Warren Buffett, that could be true, right? I think they’re probably geniuses in their own right. I mean, after all, they themselves have reached far higher levels of success than their peers. And I can say without a doubt, they are extremely sharp. I even go so far as to say they’re probably smarter than me, and maybe even you, but we, you and I can still tap into a vast wealth of knowledge and intelligence, if we simply intentionally absorb things. Now it’s better if we have a little loftier goal than just getting later finding a mate. But hey, that’s still a viable goal to write. I can I guess it I can vibe with it. On Wednesday in Episode 202, I want to chat with you about how to be successful by being a sponge versus a genius. I want to dive deeper into this topic of absorbing what is useful for you now, as well as in the future thought number two, learn from your hard times Larry shared his story of being homeless for I believe it was over a year is as well as other tough times he’s been through, but didn’t break him. He learned from them. Perhaps it was more of him absorbing things. But either way, he was able to take away valuable lessons from hard times that helped him move forward. Friday in episode two or three, I want to chat about the five hard lessons, every entrepreneur is gonna have to learn. I want to spend some more time chatting about some key lessons that all those entrepreneurs are going to have to learn. The choice is whether you learn them through someone else’s story, or through your own thought. Number three, only remember what makes them laugh. Larry, back in his stand up comedy days, had this knack for remembering what made his audience laugh. And as he made the rounds of the comedy clubs, in Greenwich Village, right on multiple clubs in the same night, he would chain all these small successes together and all these successes and making people laugh. So by the time he got to the end of the night, he would have honed a three to five minutes set down to the core nuggets that made his audience laugh through the entire set. Okay, Tracy, that’s all well and good. But I’m not in stand up comedy. Okay, well, you can chain together your successes, right? You can use them in different ways, right? One of the ways you can do that is by paying attention to what your audience likes, what your audience reacts to, and resonates with. And then two, you can stop doing that which isn’t working on Tuesday it live in the Facebook group. I’m going to dive a little bit more into this and and share some more thoughts around that. Thought number four, find your audience Larry shared the story of getting his first nightclub booking and how he needed to start finding his audience. Previously in the Greenwich Village coffee houses during open mic nights he had a knowledge of of his audience and what made them laugh and what made them tick. But now he had new variables to contend with. I mean, he he even had people lunging at it with beer bottles, okay, that’s a new variable you don’t want to contend with things are different. When you level up right now he had to find his audience and speak to them. Here again is yet another lesson we entrepreneurs can glean from those not directly in our world. We too need to find our audience on Thursday in the dark horse tribe Facebook group want to chat a bit more about targeting the right audience, and a few simple steps. And then finally thought number five, last but not least, live to be someone some little girl some little boys dog catcher. What an amazing moment for Larry to have that little girl come running to him in pure excitement. To meet the dog catcher from Annie. I want you to get out there and live your life in such a way that you’re striving To be that striving to get striving to be some little girls or some little boys, dog catcher moment. Yeah. Wouldn’t that just be awesome? All right. So what inspiring tips or thoughts resonated with you? Wherever they were, take some time today, write them down, and then get out there and put them into action. Get out there, run your race, get your results. And let me hear about them seriously, you can email me, Tracy at Dark Horse schooling.com. Or come on over to the Dark Horse tribe Facebook group, there’ll be a link down here in the show notes and share the tips or ideas that you came away with how you plan action, what results you gained from them. And Heck, I probably even bring you on the show. Dude, I was on the same show that Larry Hagen was on. How awesome would that be? All right. Next week, our interview episode guest is Kurt Cassino. Now he’s the founder of hype life brands, and also the co founder and CEO of good fit. And a good fit is a finance tech comparison shopping platform. That’s a mouthful, but it’s for consumers, right? And it solves a decade’s old problem. It enables consumers to get out there shop and compare 20 major carriers and buy insurance in under 10 minutes. And they can buy it from whoever they want. They can buy however they want. And guess what? No sales calls? No spam. No BS. Yeah. It should have always been this simple, right? Yeah. Well, now it is. Now I know you want to keep getting all these valuable tips and inspirational stories and the amazingly inspirational stories from the podcast guests. I’m looking at Barry on here. So please go on down there, hit that subscribe button. While you’re there. Give us a five star rating. Leave us some kind words in the review, ask some questions. Heck, go ahead and put in some suggestions. I’m happy to read every single one of these and of course, do not keep all this entrepreneurial, g o LD all to yourself, share this podcast with other entrepreneurs and business owners that you know will get value from it. And with that, I’m going to leave you as I always do, think successfully and take action. Thank you for listening to the Dark Horse entrepreneur podcast.


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Tracy Brinkmann  1:12:14

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EP 201 Larry Hankin Find Your Audience And Remember What Makes Them Laugh
What can we entrepreneurs learn from a 50+ year career in stand up comedy and Hollywood films?

  • Absorb Things –  Larry told the story of why he originally got into poetry, to get laid.  Well as a former teenage boy I can vibe with that. But the lesson to truly pull out of that story what happened later in life when he sat down to write.  All past poetry exposure came out.  His experiences with that poetry was all there waiting to be tapped.  Wed in EP 202 How To Be Successful By Being a Sponge Vs A Genius I want to dive deeper into this topic of absorbing what is useful for you now as well as in the future
  • Learn From Your Hard Times – Larry shared the story of his homeless period as well as other tough times he has been through.  But they didn’t break him, he learned from them.  Friday in EP 203 5 Hard Lessons Every Entrepreneur Must Learn I want to spend a bit more time chatting about some key lessons every entrepreneur is going to have to learn.  Choice is up to you whether you learn it through another person’s story or your own.
  • Only Remember What Makes Them Laugh – Larry back in his stand up comedy days had a knack for remembering what made his audience laugh.  As he made the rounds of the comedy clubs in the area, multiple clubs in one night.  He would chain these small successes in making people laugh so that by the time he got to the end of the night he would have honed a 3-5 minute set down to the core nuggets that made the audience laugh the whole time
  • Find Your Audience – Larry shared the story of getting his first night club booking and how he needed to find his audience.  Previously in the Greenwich coffee houses during open mic nights he had a knowledge of his audience but now there were new variables to contend with, even including people lunging at him with beer bottles.  Things were different at the next level up. 
  • Last but not least – Live to be SOME LITTLE GIRLS DOG CATCHER! What an amazing moment for Larry to have the little girl come running to him in pure excitement to meet the dog catcher!  Live your life and strive to be that dog catcher moment in someone’s life!!

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